My post wasn't debating either of these points. I don't think we win. I was never even planning on being there and have sold my tickets. I also get that any hope for resounding optimism was squashed the moment EJ was propped up over AR as the primary QB. And the whole white flag comment was infuriating. Terrible look. But I still don't see the issue with Zippererererer selling a shirt about the game. To me, that's about as tame as it gets. I mean, we want them to show up, right? We want them going into the game on a mission to win, right? Agree with Mullen's recruiting or not(I don't), these are still the players we have. I'm good with supporting them and hoping for the best.