BruceWayne
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It's not an opinion that Lombardi's two superbowls were in the same years as the last two NFL titles he won. The AFL/NFL merger didn't happen until after superbowl II.Great. You have your opinion and I have mine. I could go with BB no problem.
The old NFL is basically like the NFC. So I'd say it's more like:Lombardi ----> Six NFL titles
Lambeau ----> Six NFL titles
Belichick ----> Five NFL titles
Quit being so hung up on the Super Bowl.
Not clear on your math. Which AFL team would have beaten Lombardi's Packers during the first four runs?The NFL is basically like the NFC. So I'd say it's more like:
Lombardi ----> Five NFL titles
Lambeau ----> Six NFL titles
Belichick ----> Eight NFC titles
Only counting wins as a head coach. Lombardi was a head coach for far fewer years than the other guys though.
You mean the first 3 runs? Who knows. Look, I get it, it's tough to compare guys across eras. Lombardi had a 9-1 record in the playoffs. Amazing. But it's tough for me to say an NFL title that was from a 14 team league with a 2 team playoff is the same as a superbowl from a 32 team league with a 12 team playoff. And I'm absolutely not going to count 2 championships in one year for going 2-0 in the post season.Not clear on your math. Which AFL team would have beaten Lombardi's Packers during the first four runs?
No, I mean the first four, all against NFL teams when that decided the league champion. The last two came in Super Bowls.You mean the first 3 runs? Who knows. Look, I get it, it's tough to compare guys across eras. Lombardi had a 9-1 record in the playoffs. Amazing. But it's tough for me to say an NFL title that was from a 14 team league with a 2 team playoff is the same as a superbowl from a 32 team league with a 12 team playoff. And I'm absolutely not going to count 2 championships in one year for going 2-0 in the post season.
So you are counting his 1956 NFL championship as the offensive coordinator of the Giants?No, I mean the first four, all against NFL teams when that decided the league champion. The last two came in Super Bowls.
Quit being so hung up on conference titles in leather helmet years. You sound like a Bammer or ND fan.Lombardi ----> Six NFL titles
Lambeau ----> Six NFL titles
Belichick ----> Five NFL titles
Quit being so hung up on the Super Bowl.
I love Wiki bit I hate the misleading way it displays info. This is one example.So you are counting his 1956 NFL championship as the offensive coordinator of the Giants?
Quit being so hung up on conference titles in leather helmet years. You sound like a Bammer or ND fan.
He had a coaching forest. Lombardi hands down. Read Kramer's book. He was the Rockne of the Pro Football.Paul Brown is not getting enough love in this thread. Want jaw-dropping? Check out his coaching tree.
Alex.
Here is the deal. If you aint into football you are a pussy. We know that is your mantra. You call it leather helmet years. REAL men played football back then. Unitas was hit all the time unlike now where you have to be "careful". Now a great hit ( like that one Gronk) is criminal and used to be an all pro hit, What they play now is more pussy ball than when Lombardi coached and Ditka and Brown played. And they played for one team and took what pay they could get (many had other jobs). Real football.Quit being so hung up on conference titles in leather helmet years. You sound like a Bammer or ND fan.
You are correct. He did, dang it.They tend to fall into two different categories.
First you have the master motivators who get the most out of their players on every play. They instill toughness, discipline, and a championship mentality. Lombardi, Shula, Tom Coughlin, etc.
Second you have the master innovators who introduce things like the forward pass, the zone defense, the west coast offense, the zone blitz, the spread, etc. Coryell, Walsh, Paul Brown, etc.
This is tough.
I’d say the best coach for a team would be Belichick.
But he hasn’t changed the game the way Walsh did. Look at what Walsh did and look at what all his assistants did running that same offense with other teams. He’s the father of the dink and dunk offenses we have been seeing over the last 35-40 years.
Alex.