Can CeCe Jefferson be suspended?

[lagator]

You seriously couldn’t tell that he did that shyt on purpose? GMAFB.

He “fell” then regained his bearings, then “stumbled” again once he realized acidentally carying him inot the QB. His momen he was right there at Guantanamo’s leg. I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that the UT qb had been talking trash back and forth with the defensive players all night, but that doesn’t excuse the plain as day cheap shot.

I’d love to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it was obvious he did it on purpose.

They had a few late hits and pi calls that weren’t made when they were on defense, so maybe that’s why it wasn’t called. I dunno, but it was a cheap shot, and a badly disguised one at that.

Agree, that's what it looked like to me. Obviously, I can't know what CeCe's was thinking, but that wasn't a typical case of a player's momentum carrying him into the QB. His momentum carried him to the ground, he was looking at the QB, could see the ball was released so no point going after him, and for some bizarre reason he lifted himself up and seemed to intentionally "stumble" straight for his knees. And it looked like at the very least a medial collateral sprain.

Like someone said, if the uniforms were reversed, everyone would be calling it intentional and a chicken**** play going for a guys knees. I expect it was a mental lapse and like ltraz said, something he will look at in film and wonder "what the hell was I thinking?".

 

[deuce]

Seems like we win more often when we play with malice in our hearts.

 

[lagator]

So many, many times I see a ball carrier down on the ground, then an obvious purposeful defender just
does a flying pile-on. No, not saying that's equal to the devastation the intricate knee joint can suffer. Just saying the football mentality is "blast that guy". Didn't see CeCe's play. Sounds bad, but how much fuss gets stirred up if CeCe was our top playmaker.? Glad he didn't ruin the guy's knee.

That's good news.

 

[fasonfan]

The fact that people assume it's intentional is sad. He can't be suspended because you can't posdposs tell if it is. If he gets away with it that dirty play will eventually catch up to him. Hopefully he figures out intentional or not he needs to avoid this if possible

 

[Zambo]

Man I just watched that play like 5 times on the dvr. I just don't see the malice some of you guys are talking about. It was late but it looked to me like he stumbled when his feet got tangled as he did a swim move inside the left offensive tackle and the qb still had the ball in his hand. He tried to get all the way to the qb in his last step but the ball was being released. He couldn't stop his momentum, mainly because he tried to use his arms to keep from hitting the ground. If he just would have gone to the ground he wouldn't have hit the guy's knee. It should have been a penalty because whether he meant to do it or not it was a late hit below the waist, but nothing that would result in a suspension. C'mon.

 

[NVGator]

I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure that's his responsibility passing that position. Get to the qb and get a sack, hurry the play or disrupt it in any way possible.

Except you can’t hit low. So, if you’re going with his “effort” route, it was a bad decision.

 

[Zambo]

Grabbing the facemask is also a personal foul. Nobody means to do it but it happens. Watching a guy stick his arm out and grab the facemask and then opining that he did it on purpose is just as pathetic as this thread.

 

[lagator]

Man I just watched that play like 5 times on the dvr. I just don't see the malice some of you guys are talking about. It was late but it looked to me like he stumbled when his feet got tangled as he did a swim move inside the left offensive tackle and the qb still had the ball in his hand. He tried to get all the way to the qb in his last step but the ball was being released. He couldn't stop his momentum, mainly because he tried to use his arms to keep from hitting the ground. If he just would have gone to the ground he wouldn't have hit the guy's knee. It should have been a penalty because whether he meant to do it or not it was a late hit below the waist, but nothing that would result in a suspension. C'mon.

Agree, definitely not a suspension, but a late hit for sure. But it's the fact that he went to the knees that makes an issue. Like I said, I have no idea what he was thinking or if he had intent, but it looked pretty questionable.

 

[NVGator]

Grabbing the facemask is also a personal foul. Nobody means to do it but it happens. Watching a guy stick his arm out and grab the facemask and then opining that he did it on purpose is just as pathetic as this thread.

Apples and oranges. That’s like saying, “Holding is illegal, but...”

 

[Zambo]

Apples and oranges. That’s like saying, “Holding is illegal, but...”

Exactly why is is apples and oranges? The point of contention is whether it was intentional or not. Unless somebody here is actually inside his head you just can't make that determination.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Except you can’t hit low. So, if you’re going with his “effort” route, it was a bad decision.

There is a you can't hit low rule now? Never heard of it. We must have earned 50 "can't hit lows" in the game. Most tackles are "can't hit lows" unless you screw it up like we did all night vs Kintucky.

Except maybe if the "can't hit low" rule is some shyt someone pulled out of their azz.

Perhaps you mean you can't hit the QB after he throws. They didn't flag him for that, despite to refs looking right at him, because he was thrown into the QB.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Apples and oranges. That’s like saying, “Holding is illegal, but...”

You're drunk.

 

[divits]

I don’t see the intent.

Me either.

Football is such a fast game that requires a lot of violence, split second decisions and adjustments that sometimes physics won't allow. What people see in slow motion can be deceiving as to what really was happening. I see it a lot in all the "targeting" calls we're now seeing. For example, a guy's running at you upright and you go down to make a tackle and he goes down at the same time and you bang heads and you end up with a targeting call. It's bull$h!t.

What I see looking at that short video is CeCe looking up from the ground, seeing the QB with the ball still in his hand, he tries to recover to make the tackle and launches himself at the QB, sees the QB release the ball, tries to abort but his momentum awkwardly carries him into the QB's legs. I don't think it was intentional. He was just trying to make a play.

 

[BNAG8R]

Me either.

Football is such a fast game that requires a lot of violence, split second decisions and adjustments that sometimes physics won't allow. What people see in slow motion can be deceiving as to what really was happening. I see it a lot in all the "targeting" calls we're now seeing. For example, a guy's running at you upright and you go down to make a tackle and he goes down at the same time and you bang heads and you'end up with a targeting call.

What I see looking at that short video is CeCe looking up from the ground, seeing the QB with the ball still in his hand, he tries to recover to make the tackle and launches himself at the QB, sees the QB release the ball, tries to abort but his momentum awkwardly carries him into the QB's legs. I don't think it was intentional. He was just trying to make a play.

In real time, the guy who was about 10 feet away who’s job it is to specifically identify fouls agreed with you too.

 

[NVGator]

Exactly why is is apples and oranges? The point of contention is whether it was intentional or not. Unless somebody here is actually inside his head you just can't make that determination.

A better argument would be about targeting. Intent or not, it’s ruled based on opinion and or meeting specifications of the rule. Face masking isn’t the same.

 

[NVGator]

There is a you can't hit low rule now? Never heard of it. We must have earned 50 "can't hit lows" in the game. Most tackles are "can't hit lows" unless you screw it up like we did all night vs Kintucky.

Except maybe if the "can't hit low" rule is some shyt someone pulled out of their azz.

Perhaps you mean you can't hit the QB after he throws. They didn't flag him for that, despite to refs looking right at him, because he was thrown into the QB.

Oh, dear god. We aren’t talking about a Running Back. Sober up.

 

[Zambo]

A better argument would be about targeting. Intent or not, it’s ruled based on opinion and or meeting specifications of the rule. Face masking isn’t the same.

I still don't understand what you're arguing. Even with targeting, you can make the call that a player hit with the crown of his helmet or that he hit a defenseless player, but it doesn't mean that it was intentional. What we have here are people who watched a play and have declared that Cece deliberately and intentionally tried to take out a guy's knee.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Oh, dear god. We aren’t talking about a Running Back. Sober up.

Please show me the "you can't hit low" rule.

We have to get this cleared up or our defense might keep playing like it did vs Kintucky. Perhaps they believe you.

 

[Jack o' Diamonds]

Please show me the "you can't hit low" rule.

We have to get this cleared up or our defense might keep playing like it did vs Kintucky. Perhaps they believe you.

New rules fans need to be aware of in 2016


Hitting the passer below the knee
A defender can no longer hit a passer below the knee or it’s roughing the passer. Even if it’s a form tackle, it’s a violation.