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AlexDaGator;n244070 said:I just watched the extended cut. The Tallahassee Democrat has it posted. It includes lots of prelude and the full aftermath.
It's hard to see her at first but you can see her hair and the top of her head in the lower right hand corner (mostly behind the dude with glasses). She was hanging out one layer of people away from the bar for a while. She moved in to the bar and he followed a second or two behind.
She immediately looked over her left shoulder and said something to him. Things seem OK at this point. He is behind her. She can't be the aggressor at this time; she has her back to him. He puts a hand under the bar and pulls himself in, bumping her in the back. Looks like a normal crowded bar bump. No biggie. He didn't grab her ass or anything. But, something happened here because she quickly turns to the right to face him and she appears agitated.
She's saying something and brings up her right hand, balled up, but with the thumb out. She's not holding it tight, it's not cocked in a threatening manner. It's wobbly and look at her elbow. It's in front of her body. Try it yourself. Cock a fist and notice where your elbow is. Now slide your elbow forward, move your fist back, and leave your thumb out. Baez will call it a threat but it wasn't.
He grabs her right wrist. She's shocked. Her mouth is hanging open. He's got her wrist, some of her hair, and he's jamming it against her upper chest, near her throat. She yells at him. She looks like she's using her left to keep him at bay. She throws a weak punch with her left (she's a righty, but he has her right hand immobilized). You know the rest.
Here's the link:
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2015/07/06/video-shows-punch-that-led-to-qbs-arrest/29775149/
Alex.
bradgator2;n244175 said:What do you tell a woman with 2 black eyes?
(too soon?)
dubster1;n244086 said:I will meet force with force. if you do not wish this keep you're hands to yourself
Yep i have no defense i'm guiltydivits;n244183 said:A girl puncher is a girl puncher is a girl puncher.
AlexDaGator;n244171 said:Watch it again. When she raises her right hand, look at her thumb, look where the hand is in relation to her head, then look where her elbow is.
That's not a cocked, clenched fist.
Alex.
ATXGator;244151 said:Being completely objective on this here is what I saw.
1. She was trying to stop him from getting to the bar and he was trying to bull his way to the bar - this happens at every bar all over America
2. She was pissed he got to the bar turned around and balled a fist like she was going to hit him - at a minimum she was threatening to hit
3. He grabbed her first to defend himself and she tried to knee him in the groin - I could not tell if she made contact
4. He released her first and she punched him in the face
5. He retaliated and punched her back
Here are my thoughts
1. She should absolutely be charged with assault. Twice she hit him (the knee "assuming contact was made" and the punch)
2. He should have walked away... he should have done this when she tried to knee him and after she hit him.
3. This was NOT self defense. In my opinion for it to be self defense she would have to be able to hurt him. She was not going to hurt him, even with a punch to the face.
4. He should be charged with assault and kicked off the team. Obviously this happened.
5. If there was no video... he would not have been dismissed, but FSU had no choice.
dubster1;n244185 said:Yep i have no defense i'm guilty
divits;n244190 said:Now I recognize you. You were in every "COPS" episode weren't you?
Scott512;n243860 said:They won't be losing anytime soon. If they replaced Bobby with Jimbo and got lucky they will think they can do it again. And with the success Kelly and Carroll are having in the NFL as former top college coaches I bet that interests Jimbo and the FSU braintrust if you will may just nudge Jimbo towards to the NFL after next season. How much embarrassment can they take in Tally? It has to max out soon doesn't it? Can't actually blame Fisher for his players assaults etc. but he recruits them and they leave a stain at FSU and that cannot be denied.
Yep, you're pretty observant, except i had a t shirt on that read " can't touch this "divits;n244190 said:Now I recognize you. You were in every "COPS" episode weren't you? You were the drunk guy in the trailer with no shirt and the wife with the bloody nose.
dubster1;n244194 said:Yep, you're pretty observant, except i had a t shirt on that read " can't touch this "
dubster1;n244194 said:Yep, you're pretty observant, except i had a t shirt on that read " can't touch this "
Captain Sasquatch;n244195 said:
dubster1;n244194 said:Yep, you're pretty observant, except i had a t shirt on that read " can't touch this "
dubster1;n244124 said:oh yeah he did, well I don't see it that way. not saying i would've punched her lights out but a slap was in order
GatorTAG;n244241 said:If you keep watching the video a little after the 4 minute mark, is the guy with the hat on backwards at the bar on the left johnson back getting his drink order filled? If so it shows the bar didnt kick him, he's clearly not worried about the girl's nose he just broke and conclusive evidence he's underage drinking.