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To anyone with half a brain and borderline decent eye sight... it was time A LONG time ago
 

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Keeping Grantham was probably the second biggest mistake Mullen has made at UF - bringing him from Miss State in 2018 was the biggest. Read this comments from The Athletic:

‘Florida, they just don’t play hard’: College football coaches on the growing gap between Florida and Georgia

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(some quotes from the story - since it's a paywall):

The Athletic spoke with opposing SEC coaches about what has gone wrong.

“Florida, they just don’t play hard,” said an SEC East coach. “Georgia is trying to rip your head off. They might be up 30-0 and their linebackers are flying up field to get after your ass. Florida is a finesse team. Kentucky plays hard. You watch UF on tape. They’ve got skill but they’re not physical.”

Is the problem scheme? Personnel? Toughness? Opposing coaches cite problems in each area.

“They play with zero discipline,” said one SEC offensive coach whose team faced the Gators this season. “They don’t play hard.”

“We were more physical and much better than them in the box,” said another SEC offensive coach. “We were mauling them.”

An SEC East defensive coach wondered, “What in the world are they trying to get done?” as he scouted the Gators’ wretched defensive performance from 2020. That unit ranked 74th in points allowed (30.8), 83rd in total defense (428 per game) and 85th in yards per play allowed (6.06). “Last year, they were doing some really unsound things defensively,” he said. “They just do some crazy, goofy things. They’re odd.’”

Earlier this season, the Gators looked like a much-improved defense when they went toe-to-toe with Alabama, but opposing coaches have come to believe that’s not the case.

“We thought going in that it was going to be one of the best defenses we faced,” said an SEC offensive coach. “But they just weren’t physical. They don’t look motivated. Not fired up. No juice.

“Schematically, they make no adjustments on defense. They have no answers. They’ll stay in a 2-high shell as long as they can. They walk (Jeremiah Moon) down to create a five-man front and think they can stop the run with just that, but they can’t.”

“Grantham spends all of his time on third-down packages with exotic pressures,” said an SEC offensive coach. “You can run the ball on them on third downs. …There’s no one in their front seven that scares you. They used to have defensive ends that were pass-rush phenoms. They used to have shut-down corners. They don’t have either now.”

That coach said preseason All-SEC cornerback Kaiir Elam “was disappointing.”

Florida’s best NFL prospect on the defensive line, senior Zach Carter, is “a solid player” and likely a third- or fourth-rounder, Brugler said. That would make four consecutive drafts in which the program failed to have a member of the defensive front chosen in the top two rounds.

“They don’t have anybody that’s a game-wrecker,” said an SEC offensive assistant. “They’re not as talented and formidable as I thought they were going to be.”

Comments about our offense:

Mullen is a master at designing pre-snap eye candy, the shifts and motions that create mismatches. Outsiders believe such window dressing is necessary to masquerade deficiencies along Florida’s offensive line. When offseason staff shuffling commences, it’s likely offensive line coach John Hevesy will be among those departing.

An opposing SEC offensive coach said he suspects some of the Gators’ toughness issues stem from becoming so pass-heavy during the two-year stint under quarterback Kyle Trask. Last season, the only SEC team that ran the ball fewer times than Florida per game was Mike Leach’s Air Raid attack at Mississippi State. In 2019, only Vanderbilt had fewer rushing attempts.

"It’s been more of a throwing-based offense,” said the opposing offensive coach. “They only run the ball as a change-up. When you get that way, you’re naturally not going to be as physical. You need to practice against the run in order to create a culture of physicality.”

The Gators now face something dreaded within the landscape of SEC football: A reputation for being soft.

“Georgia is trying to take your soul the way they play the game,” said one of the SEC East coaches. “That’s not how Florida plays.

“Last year, we thought these guys were soft on the O-line but they had skill guys — (Kyle) Pitts and (Kadarius) Toney and weapons. We thought they were more physical up front, but then you play them and they’re just not a tough team. They just don’t finish. They don’t strain.”

The Gators represent a statistical rarity, owning a .500 record despite outgaining all eight opponents. That’s no consolation to a fan base. Winning opportunities have slipped away based on other failings:

• Those 16 turnovers are tied for 10th-most in the FBS.

• Quarterbacks Emory Jones and Anthony Richardson have combined for 15 of the turnovers, many of the game-changing variety. In their four losses, the Gators have given up two pick sixes and committed five turnovers that set up touchdown drives from inside their own 40. Florida’s quick-change defense hasn’t responded.

• Their seven penalties per game are tied for 96th.

• The Gators rank 120th in field goal accuracy (57 percent), including a blocked kick that made the difference in a loss at Kentucky. A missed PAT ultimately forced Florida into a failed two-point try against Alabama.

“You listen to some of the things Mullen says after his teams lose. He starts talking about stats and how like, ‘We really outplayed them.’ Basically, he’s just making excuses,” said an opposing assistant. “Your bunch makes mistakes in critical moments.”

At least one opposing coach suspects a culture problem.

“You look at them in warmups — guys with their T-shirts hanging out. They look sloppy. A little too nonchalant, too rag-tag,” an SEC assistant coach said. “They think they’re better than they are.”

Though Florida’s schedule lightens up in November, that East Division coach wonders how much fight remains: “It’s like it’s conference championship or bust. They’re over it.”
 

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(more from The Athletic):

Saturday’s blowout in Jacksonville gave Georgia four wins in five years over Florida. The recruiting rivalry has been even more one-sided, with the Bulldogs signing higher-ranked classes every year since 2014. Georgia has signed 31 five-star recruits during that period, dwarfing the Gators’ total of five.

“UF still has access to really good players and they have plenty of talent on their team. But it ain’t what it should be at Florida,” said one SEC East position coach.

Focusing on the past four classes — is which Mullen and Kirby Smart’s staffs have gone head-to-head on numerous recruits — Florida’s average ranking is the No. 11 class in the country, but that’s just No. 5 among SEC schools and pales in star power. Georgia has signed 27 total top-50 recruits in that four-year period, Alabama has signed 24 and LSU 11. Florida has signed four. One of those (cornerback Chris Steele) never suited up for the Gators in a game.

The 2022 class is shaping up to provide more of the same, with Georgia ranked No. 1 and Florida dropping to No. 22 after two recent de-commitments.

“They’ve got some really good players, but they don’t have the depth of really good players that Alabama and Georgia do,” said one SEC recruiting coordinator. “Georgia’s third-string guys are freaks.”

The SEC recruiting coordinator said it was “jarring” to see Florida suffer de-commits this month from two top-100 players — linebacker Shemar James of Mobile, Ala., and cornerback Julian Humphrey of Houston. They de-committed after the Oct. 16 loss at LSU, when it became apparent that Florida’s defensive staff was about to undergo changes, and James and Humphrey are now thought to be leaning toward Georgia. The Gators previously lost a pledge from five-star safety Sam McCall, who flipped to FSU in February.

“I just don’t get the sense that Mullen is as obsessive about recruiting as (Nick) Saban, Kirby, (Ed) Orgeron and even Ryan Day are,” said the recruiting coordinator. “That’s how those guys are when it comes to recruiting. That’s how Urban was back when he was at Florida. Ultimately, at that stage, your head coach is so critical. Mullen is just not as dialed in, and you can’t be that way if you’re gonna be competing for No. 1 classes.”

Kirby Smart just rubbing Mullen's face in it:

Smart’s post-Cocktail Party comments might as well have been a mini-lecture on beating Florida for recruits. That’s certainly the frustration Gators fans feel as the rosters grow increasingly disparate. Fair or not, Mullen’s penchant for developing overlooked players seems like an uphill strategy when rival schools keep reloading with elite prospects.

“Anybody will tell you that our defense is good because we have good players,” Smart said. “So spending time with people on the phone, spending time with people at their house, spending time with people when they come to your campus — I’m not with my family when I do that. My family sacrifices so that I can go and spend time with other people’s families so that we have good players.”
 

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Keeping Grantham was probably the second biggest mistake Mullen has made at UF - bringing him from Miss State in 2018 was the biggest. Read this comments from The Athletic:

‘Florida, they just don’t play hard’: College football coaches on the growing gap between Florida and Georgia

USATSI_17061226-scaled.jpg


(some quotes from the story - since it's a paywall):

The Athletic spoke with opposing SEC coaches about what has gone wrong.

“Florida, they just don’t play hard,” said an SEC East coach. “Georgia is trying to rip your head off. They might be up 30-0 and their linebackers are flying up field to get after your ass. Florida is a finesse team. Kentucky plays hard. You watch UF on tape. They’ve got skill but they’re not physical.”

Is the problem scheme? Personnel? Toughness? Opposing coaches cite problems in each area.

“They play with zero discipline,” said one SEC offensive coach whose team faced the Gators this season. “They don’t play hard.”

“We were more physical and much better than them in the box,” said another SEC offensive coach. “We were mauling them.”

An SEC East defensive coach wondered, “What in the world are they trying to get done?” as he scouted the Gators’ wretched defensive performance from 2020. That unit ranked 74th in points allowed (30.8), 83rd in total defense (428 per game) and 85th in yards per play allowed (6.06). “Last year, they were doing some really unsound things defensively,” he said. “They just do some crazy, goofy things. They’re odd.’”

Earlier this season, the Gators looked like a much-improved defense when they went toe-to-toe with Alabama, but opposing coaches have come to believe that’s not the case.

“We thought going in that it was going to be one of the best defenses we faced,” said an SEC offensive coach. “But they just weren’t physical. They don’t look motivated. Not fired up. No juice.

“Schematically, they make no adjustments on defense. They have no answers. They’ll stay in a 2-high shell as long as they can. They walk (Jeremiah Moon) down to create a five-man front and think they can stop the run with just that, but they can’t.”

“Grantham spends all of his time on third-down packages with exotic pressures,” said an SEC offensive coach. “You can run the ball on them on third downs. …There’s no one in their front seven that scares you. They used to have defensive ends that were pass-rush phenoms. They used to have shut-down corners. They don’t have either now.”

That coach said preseason All-SEC cornerback Kaiir Elam “was disappointing.”

Florida’s best NFL prospect on the defensive line, senior Zach Carter, is “a solid player” and likely a third- or fourth-rounder, Brugler said. That would make four consecutive drafts in which the program failed to have a member of the defensive front chosen in the top two rounds.

“They don’t have anybody that’s a game-wrecker,” said an SEC offensive assistant. “They’re not as talented and formidable as I thought they were going to be.”

Comments about our offense:

Mullen is a master at designing pre-snap eye candy, the shifts and motions that create mismatches. Outsiders believe such window dressing is necessary to masquerade deficiencies along Florida’s offensive line. When offseason staff shuffling commences, it’s likely offensive line coach John Hevesy will be among those departing.

An opposing SEC offensive coach said he suspects some of the Gators’ toughness issues stem from becoming so pass-heavy during the two-year stint under quarterback Kyle Trask. Last season, the only SEC team that ran the ball fewer times than Florida per game was Mike Leach’s Air Raid attack at Mississippi State. In 2019, only Vanderbilt had fewer rushing attempts.

"It’s been more of a throwing-based offense,” said the opposing offensive coach. “They only run the ball as a change-up. When you get that way, you’re naturally not going to be as physical. You need to practice against the run in order to create a culture of physicality.”

The Gators now face something dreaded within the landscape of SEC football: A reputation for being soft.

“Georgia is trying to take your soul the way they play the game,” said one of the SEC East coaches. “That’s not how Florida plays.

“Last year, we thought these guys were soft on the O-line but they had skill guys — (Kyle) Pitts and (Kadarius) Toney and weapons. We thought they were more physical up front, but then you play them and they’re just not a tough team. They just don’t finish. They don’t strain.”

The Gators represent a statistical rarity, owning a .500 record despite outgaining all eight opponents. That’s no consolation to a fan base. Winning opportunities have slipped away based on other failings:

• Those 16 turnovers are tied for 10th-most in the FBS.

• Quarterbacks Emory Jones and Anthony Richardson have combined for 15 of the turnovers, many of the game-changing variety. In their four losses, the Gators have given up two pick sixes and committed five turnovers that set up touchdown drives from inside their own 40. Florida’s quick-change defense hasn’t responded.

• Their seven penalties per game are tied for 96th.

• The Gators rank 120th in field goal accuracy (57 percent), including a blocked kick that made the difference in a loss at Kentucky. A missed PAT ultimately forced Florida into a failed two-point try against Alabama.

“You listen to some of the things Mullen says after his teams lose. He starts talking about stats and how like, ‘We really outplayed them.’ Basically, he’s just making excuses,” said an opposing assistant. “Your bunch makes mistakes in critical moments.”

At least one opposing coach suspects a culture problem.

“You look at them in warmups — guys with their T-shirts hanging out. They look sloppy. A little too nonchalant, too rag-tag,” an SEC assistant coach said. “They think they’re better than they are.”

Though Florida’s schedule lightens up in November, that East Division coach wonders how much fight remains: “It’s like it’s conference championship or bust. They’re over it.”

Sorry to longcat you, but I see absolutely ZERO lies.

We get outphysicalled by teams like Kentucky and a horrible LSU practice squad. That’s absolutely pathetic.
 

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Keeping Grantham was probably the second biggest mistake Mullen has made at UF - bringing him from Miss State in 2018 was the biggest. Read this comments from The Athletic:

‘Florida, they just don’t play hard’: College football coaches on the growing gap between Florida and Georgia

USATSI_17061226-scaled.jpg


(some quotes from the story - since it's a paywall):

The Athletic spoke with opposing SEC coaches about what has gone wrong.

“Florida, they just don’t play hard,” said an SEC East coach. “Georgia is trying to rip your head off. They might be up 30-0 and their linebackers are flying up field to get after your ass. Florida is a finesse team. Kentucky plays hard. You watch UF on tape. They’ve got skill but they’re not physical.”

Is the problem scheme? Personnel? Toughness? Opposing coaches cite problems in each area.

“They play with zero discipline,” said one SEC offensive coach whose team faced the Gators this season. “They don’t play hard.”

“We were more physical and much better than them in the box,” said another SEC offensive coach. “We were mauling them.”

An SEC East defensive coach wondered, “What in the world are they trying to get done?” as he scouted the Gators’ wretched defensive performance from 2020. That unit ranked 74th in points allowed (30.8), 83rd in total defense (428 per game) and 85th in yards per play allowed (6.06). “Last year, they were doing some really unsound things defensively,” he said. “They just do some crazy, goofy things. They’re odd.’”

Earlier this season, the Gators looked like a much-improved defense when they went toe-to-toe with Alabama, but opposing coaches have come to believe that’s not the case.

“We thought going in that it was going to be one of the best defenses we faced,” said an SEC offensive coach. “But they just weren’t physical. They don’t look motivated. Not fired up. No juice.

“Schematically, they make no adjustments on defense. They have no answers. They’ll stay in a 2-high shell as long as they can. They walk (Jeremiah Moon) down to create a five-man front and think they can stop the run with just that, but they can’t.”

“Grantham spends all of his time on third-down packages with exotic pressures,” said an SEC offensive coach. “You can run the ball on them on third downs. …There’s no one in their front seven that scares you. They used to have defensive ends that were pass-rush phenoms. They used to have shut-down corners. They don’t have either now.”

That coach said preseason All-SEC cornerback Kaiir Elam “was disappointing.”

Florida’s best NFL prospect on the defensive line, senior Zach Carter, is “a solid player” and likely a third- or fourth-rounder, Brugler said. That would make four consecutive drafts in which the program failed to have a member of the defensive front chosen in the top two rounds.

“They don’t have anybody that’s a game-wrecker,” said an SEC offensive assistant. “They’re not as talented and formidable as I thought they were going to be.”

Comments about our offense:

Mullen is a master at designing pre-snap eye candy, the shifts and motions that create mismatches. Outsiders believe such window dressing is necessary to masquerade deficiencies along Florida’s offensive line. When offseason staff shuffling commences, it’s likely offensive line coach John Hevesy will be among those departing.

An opposing SEC offensive coach said he suspects some of the Gators’ toughness issues stem from becoming so pass-heavy during the two-year stint under quarterback Kyle Trask. Last season, the only SEC team that ran the ball fewer times than Florida per game was Mike Leach’s Air Raid attack at Mississippi State. In 2019, only Vanderbilt had fewer rushing attempts.

"It’s been more of a throwing-based offense,” said the opposing offensive coach. “They only run the ball as a change-up. When you get that way, you’re naturally not going to be as physical. You need to practice against the run in order to create a culture of physicality.”

The Gators now face something dreaded within the landscape of SEC football: A reputation for being soft.

“Georgia is trying to take your soul the way they play the game,” said one of the SEC East coaches. “That’s not how Florida plays.

“Last year, we thought these guys were soft on the O-line but they had skill guys — (Kyle) Pitts and (Kadarius) Toney and weapons. We thought they were more physical up front, but then you play them and they’re just not a tough team. They just don’t finish. They don’t strain.”

The Gators represent a statistical rarity, owning a .500 record despite outgaining all eight opponents. That’s no consolation to a fan base. Winning opportunities have slipped away based on other failings:

• Those 16 turnovers are tied for 10th-most in the FBS.

• Quarterbacks Emory Jones and Anthony Richardson have combined for 15 of the turnovers, many of the game-changing variety. In their four losses, the Gators have given up two pick sixes and committed five turnovers that set up touchdown drives from inside their own 40. Florida’s quick-change defense hasn’t responded.

• Their seven penalties per game are tied for 96th.

• The Gators rank 120th in field goal accuracy (57 percent), including a blocked kick that made the difference in a loss at Kentucky. A missed PAT ultimately forced Florida into a failed two-point try against Alabama.

“You listen to some of the things Mullen says after his teams lose. He starts talking about stats and how like, ‘We really outplayed them.’ Basically, he’s just making excuses,” said an opposing assistant. “Your bunch makes mistakes in critical moments.”

At least one opposing coach suspects a culture problem.

“You look at them in warmups — guys with their T-shirts hanging out. They look sloppy. A little too nonchalant, too rag-tag,” an SEC assistant coach said. “They think they’re better than they are.”

Though Florida’s schedule lightens up in November, that East Division coach wonders how much fight remains: “It’s like it’s conference championship or bust. They’re over it.”


That's one flattering article. LOL
 

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Sorry to longcat you, but I see absolutely ZERO lies.

We get outphysicalled by teams like Kentucky and a horrible LSU practice squad. That’s absolutely pathetic.

The article is so damning. The admin is just sitting on their hands. This is an article from a national writer (Feldman), this isn't some local/regional message board. We've discussed this a bunch, but Mullen is probably safe (unless he walks on his own). I think the house cleaning is just delaying the inevitable - like @soflagator said, it's going to be like the Roper hire, most likely. But if they're going to clean house it's gotta be a complete re-start, like it's Mullen's first day on the job. I'm expecting a TON of transfers. This roster will be depleted in 2022, the new coach in 2023 is going to have a deep hole to dig out of....
 

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To anyone with half a brain and borderline decent eye sight... it was time A LONG time ago

I was listening to college football radio this morning, and the first caller I heard was a Gator railing Mullen on the Pierce touches decision and finishing by referencing the Marco Wilson moment last year, saying he’d completely lost faith in Mullen since that point. Even Kanell(who’s and idiot) said that’s the pulse right now.

It’s always the little moments that kill a head coach. The LSU game and the handling of the MW play is that for Dan. I found it interesting and encouraging that close to a year later fans are still livid about that situation and entire game to the point of bringing it up arbitrarily on a phone call after a 34-7 loss. Basically we could’ve win Saturday and that Lsu debacle would still be present in people’s minds. Tells me that he’s completely lost the majority of the fan base and isn’t getting it back.
 

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(more from The Athletic):

“Anybody will tell you that our defense is good because we have good players,” Smart said. “So spending time with people on the phone, spending time with people at their house, spending time with people when they come to your campus — I’m not with my family when I do that. My family sacrifices so that I can go and spend time with other people’s families so that we have good players.”

Dan was with his family on the off week... we know this because Dan told us so in his presser.
 

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I was listening to college football radio this morning, and the first caller I heard was a Gator railing Mullen on the Pierce touches decision and finishing by referencing the Marco Wilson moment last year, saying he’d completely lost faith in Mullen since that point. Even Kanell(who’s and idiot) said that’s the pulse right now.

It’s always the little moments that kill a head coach. The LSU game and the handling of the MW play is that for Dan. I found it interesting and encouraging that close to a year later fans are still livid about that situation and entire game to the point of bringing it up arbitrarily on a phone call after a 34-7 loss. Basically we could’ve win Saturday and that Lsu debacle would still be present in people’s minds. Tells me that he’s completely lost the majority of the fan base and isn’t getting it back.
There's two things with that incident that still piss me off, and they both had to do with Dan, not Marco...

  1. First, in the post game, Dan did his glib assed "I didn't see it.... i guess that's a penalty" comment, I can still hear his voice.
  2. The very next game, Dan trotted Marco out on the field as a Captain. I felt like this was a direct FU to the fans and Dan instinctively turtling up and trying to be pals with the players in some bullschit solidarity move.
 
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Watch this, you'll be glad you did:


This is now the second clip I've seen from the post game, and like "the rope" clip, Dan is looking DOWN the whole time, zero eye contact with reporters. He's never done that, he always does his douchey "challenge stare down."

Also, I would like to see just ONE follow-up question to his answer here, like: "Yes, last year you had some generational talent in Toney, Pitts, and even Trask, but you didn't recruit them, what about your losses the two years prior to last year?"
 

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Not being physical was the universal reputation of the Gators in 1960.

Nobody gives AF about what the UF reputation was in the 1960's. smh WTF kind of comment is that? What relevance does that have to do with our 2021 football team? Dan Mullen wasn't even alive in the 1960's! You are an idiot!
 

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