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[GatorStud]

Our football team has been without an identity for about a decade. I'm hoping we're building the layers for a new player swagger and facility upgrade. Go Gators!

 

[GR8 2B]

Not the point. You just dont have any control over your hate spewing. You just cant do it. No matter how much good, you always find reason to vomit on every thread.

Well put.

 

[ATXGator]

We had a good class... this was not a great class, but it feels great based on our expectations. Mac and the coaches did a good job.

We closed the gap. The truth is we were way down on the list from a talent perspective and we upgraded our overall talent while FSU, BAMA maintained. They are at the top... we can close the gap for now just by improving ourself. In the future... we need to take from them to bring them down as well. This class was a step in the right direction.

It sounds like Mac is going to make some coaching hires and if Seider is really the first one that is a great hire.

The bad...

1. We did not win the state... we did better and did well, but we did not WIN the state. I don't subscribe to the IMG doesn't count. We have to figure out how to make a dent there. Our top QB prospect is playing there next year. A better product on the field will be huge in helping to make that happen... as well as the new facilities.

2. No elite talent. The lack of 5 stars from this class certainly doesn't help. I hope that some of these guys do end up being elite, but we need the difference makers on the field. Not just on offense... we need studs at LB, Safety and DT as well. We have some very good talent, but 2 or 3 absolute elite players make a HUGE difference.

The one thing that you can't ignore that we have good momentum heading into the Spring. The brand is looking better than it did a week ago. We are being talked about in a positive light because of the way the staff closed. A couple coaching hires and some big wins next year (Michigan...) and the tide starts to turn. We need the statement wins. Michigan is a possibility... they lost a lot of kids and while our D has lost a lot... the young guys played well.

 

[GR8 2B]

You don't want to hear about IMG? Why? Every other team recruits there just fine.

Taking back the state means not taking a back seat to Trailerbammer, CUMeyes, Clemson, Meatchicken, for the top players in our own damn state. That has never happened in Florida, even before probation.

You know this is near and dear to my heart. I pretty consistently say screw the higher ranked out of state kids (especially Cali) and take the Florida kids. I have forever.

The leftovers were good enough to get us to #9, and 5th in the SEC. I guess if you guys are happy with being fifth in the SEC, then you are. I will tell you this, those kids at the top of the list, they will be leading their teams to championships.

Take back the state my azz.

1Alex Leatherwood OL Alabama

2 Josh Kaindoh DE Florida St.

3 Jerry Jeudy WR Alabama

4 Kellen Mond QB Texas A&M

5 Shaun Wade DB Ohio St.

6 Jordan Anthony LB Michigan

7 Dylan Moses LB Alabama

8 Trevon Grimes WR Ohio St.

9 D.J. Matthews WR Florida St.

10 Cesar Ruiz OL Michigan

11 Navaughn Donaldson OL Miami (FL)

12 Stanford Samuels DB Florida St.

13 Vandarius Cowan LB Alabama

14 Grant Delpit DB LSU

15 Cyrus Fagan DB Florida St.

16 Devan Barrett RB Auburn

17 Zachary Carter DE Florida

18 Ja'len Parks DT Florida St.

19 James Robinson WR Florida

20 Isaiah Pryor DB Ohio St.

Hete's the problem with IMG: Chris Weinke was in upper mamagement of the football program for several years, and only left recently. They've got a Cane alumnus at the top of the football coaching hierarchy. They've actively and successfully recruited the top kids in the state for years. I'm sure we can all imagine what those kids hear about the Gators during their 4 years there. I'm afraid it will be a long time before we get any recruits out of IMG.

 

[alcoholica]

Here is why IMG doesn't count. How many of those kids are actually from Florida? They have ties elsewhere. Most are basically out of state kids.

 

[olegator]

Sobering post.

I'll drink to that!

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Hete's the problem with IMG: Chris Weinke was in upper mamagement of the football program for several years, and only left recently. They've got a Cane alumnus at the top of the football coaching hierarchy.

And yet.... every other team can pull kids out of there.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Here is why IMG doesn't count. How many of those kids are actually from Florida? They have ties elsewhere. Most are basically out of state kids.

95 percent are from Florida? I think.

Pretty rare for the kid to be from out of state. I can only think of one off hand. Im sure there are a few more.

 

[B52G8rAC]

I thought IMG was a file format.

 

[alcoholica]

95 percent are from Florida? I think.

Pretty rare for the kid to be from out of state. I can only think of one off hand. Im sure there are a few more.

Are they? I couldn't find a listing. Scarborough went there from Alabama? In HS. Patterson was a LA boy I think.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Are they? I couldn't find a listing. Scarborough went there from Alabama? In HS. Patterson was a LA boy I think.

Yup, those were the ones I thought of. A few others I think. The rest are Florida boys to my knowledge.

 

[CU-UF]

95 percent are from Florida? I think.

Pretty rare for the kid to be from out of state. I can only think of one off hand. Im sure there are a few more.

Just looking at Rivals top prospects from IMG, the top five are all from out of state and just transferred in their junior years

 

[GatorTom85]

It's going to take a lot for Mac to win me back. Getting an average UF class isn';t going to do it. That should be the bare minimum. WHy should I lower my bar? ANd even if I did lower it...UGA, Bama and FSU all did way better than us. SO how happy are you? Has Mac proven he can beat teams with more talent in your eyes?

I for one would prefer it if Mac doesn't win you back so maybe you and those like you would just go away. The level of negativity and angst that has been constantly spewed by you and those with similar perspectives has become tiresome at best and at at its worst it has gotten to the point of rivaling the sad state of GSMB to the point where it wasn't even worth trying to peruse the site.

I get that you and some others feel that you have some sort of entitlement to a program that is at the top of every list of accomplishments because that was where we were for a couple of glorious periods in our program's fairly recent history. For those of us who were Gator fans in the decades prior to 1990, however, many of us still have the perspective of what it was like prior to reaching those lofty heights so we can still appreciate what awesome achievements those were while also understanding that those heights are not guaranteed simply because of our status as a university or by the geographic advantages we enjoy by being located in a state that is a recruiting gold mine.

Ultimately, if one takes a balanced view of Coach Macs tenure so far, it is hard to really understand why there has been so much vitriol directed his way when:

a) he inherited a team decimated by injury, attrition and poor recruiting at key positions especially at OLine where he had too few lineman to even stage a solid Spring game.
b) he inherited a team with virtually no QB experience
c) he was able to pull together a recruiting class that netted our best offensive player (Calloway) and several really solid D players (as we discovered when he had to replace over half our starters on D this year) in spite of starting late and the situation he walked into
d) when 1st season play began, he was able to cultivate a redshirt QB that somehow Muschamp had yet to fully offend/ruin but that guy pulled a bonehead maneuver and got booted mid season
e) He had to survive all year with an OL so depleted that a transfer from Furman was our most important player due to his versatility in playing multiple positions and ability to remain unhurt
f) He still won the SEC East in spite of these challenges
g) he was able to pull together a better recruiting class in year 2 including an unprecedented 12 early enrollees the majority of which made significant contributions in the following season
h) he was able to win the East a second time despite massive injuries and an admittedly challenged stable of QBs with skills below the needed level to run his offense
i) he pulls in a top 10 recruiting class yr 3 which thankfully has quality personnel available to fill in at the areas of greatest need

If it was any other coach in any other school, I believe most rational people would be willing to give a guy with that track record the benefit of the doubt especially when they considered the uniquely difficult pattern of setbacks he's had to deal with during his relatively brief tenure. Not to say that there isn't still a great deal of room to improve, but given everything that has happened and Mac's ability to achieve some positive results in spite of those challenges, I think it is a much more reasonable approach to be cautiously optimistic than wildly and rabidly negative especially for those few like yourself who can't even accept an unambiguously positive outcome without finding some way to tarnish it so it can fit into your overall corrupted picture that overrides all aspects of your opinion of the program.

If it is really this unpleasant for you to be a Gator fan, perhaps it is time to find a new team to follow that will live up to your expectations so you can leave us poor deluded Gator fans behind to wallow in our delusions. In all honesty you and those like you would be much better Bammers anyway. After living in Alabama for multiple years, many of them during down years for Bama, I can honestly say that most of the so called "dumpers" on this forum have an attitude and outlook that is a way better fit with Bama anyway. Just remember, Bama wasn't always this good either and there was a realllllyyyyy long time period between the Bear and Saban in which their fan base was deluded to the point of being ridiculous. Bill Curry got run off after a string of 10+ win seasons because he couldn't beat Auburn and Gene Stallings got limited love even though he had an undefeated season with a national championship. So I'd suggest you make the switch soon so you can ride the remaining glory years out with Saban before they have to move on to the next poor SOB who has to follow that up. Clearly, though, you already have all the skills necessary for the post Saban era since you are clearly well versed in how to be both unsatisfied and severely disgruntled with anything that falls short of your unrealistic expectations. Heck, I think you've even got the stuff to make it as a regular caller to Finebaum's show! So, with that, I will close this response with the mantra that I hope will ultimately make you happier and more satisfied with your lot in life as a fan.... "Roll Tide, T-Rex!!!"

 

[Swamp Donkey]

TLDR. Have an executive summary?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Just looking at Rivals top prospects from IMG, the top five are all from out of state and just transferred in their junior years

Maybe. I don't know. And yet, Michigan, CUMeyes, FSU, Miami, ATM, LSU and others have no trouble recruiting there.

Well see how it goes next year after we have trimmed half of the useless recruiters.

 

[T REX]

I for one would prefer it if Mac doesn't win you back so maybe you and those like you would just go away. The level of negativity and angst that has been constantly spewed by you and those with similar perspectives has become tiresome at best and at at its worst it has gotten to the point of rivaling the sad state of GSMB to the point where it wasn't even worth trying to peruse the site.

I get that you and some others feel that you have some sort of entitlement to a program that is at the top of every list of accomplishments because that was where we were for a couple of glorious periods in our program's fairly recent history. For those of us who were Gator fans in the decades prior to 1990, however, many of us still have the perspective of what it was like prior to reaching those lofty heights so we can still appreciate what awesome achievements those were while also understanding that those heights are not guaranteed simply because of our status as a university or by the geographic advantages we enjoy by being located in a state that is a recruiting gold mine.

Ultimately, if one takes a balanced view of Coach Macs tenure so far, it is hard to really understand why there has been so much vitriol directed his way when:

a) he inherited a team decimated by injury, attrition and poor recruiting at key positions especially at OLine where he had too few lineman to even stage a solid Spring game.
b) he inherited a team with virtually no QB experience
c) he was able to pull together a recruiting class that netted our best offensive player (Calloway) and several really solid D players (as we discovered when he had to replace over half our starters on D this year) in spite of starting late and the situation he walked into
d) when 1st season play began, he was able to cultivate a redshirt QB that somehow Muschamp had yet to fully offend/ruin but that guy pulled a bonehead maneuver and got booted mid season
e) He had to survive all year with an OL so depleted that a transfer from Furman was our most important player due to his versatility in playing multiple positions and ability to remain unhurt
f) He still won the SEC East in spite of these challenges
g) he was able to pull together a better recruiting class in year 2 including an unprecedented 12 early enrollees the majority of which made significant contributions in the following season
h) he was able to win the East a second time despite massive injuries and an admittedly challenged stable of QBs with skills below the needed level to run his offense
i) he pulls in a top 10 recruiting class yr 3 which thankfully has quality personnel available to fill in at the areas of greatest need

If it was any other coach in any other school, I believe most rational people would be willing to give a guy with that track record the benefit of the doubt especially when they considered the uniquely difficult pattern of setbacks he's had to deal with during his relatively brief tenure. Not to say that there isn't still a great deal of room to improve, but given everything that has happened and Mac's ability to achieve some positive results in spite of those challenges, I think it is a much more reasonable approach to be cautiously optimistic than wildly and rabidly negative especially for those few like yourself who can't even accept an unambiguously positive outcome without finding some way to tarnish it so it can fit into your overall corrupted picture that overrides all aspects of your opinion of the program.

If it is really this unpleasant for you to be a Gator fan, perhaps it is time to find a new team to follow that will live up to your expectations so you can leave us poor deluded Gator fans behind to wallow in our delusions. In all honesty you and those like you would be much better Bammers anyway. After living in Alabama for multiple years, many of them during down years for Bama, I can honestly say that most of the so called "dumpers" on this forum have an attitude and outlook that is a way better fit with Bama anyway. Just remember, Bama wasn't always this good either and there was a realllllyyyyy long time period between the Bear and Saban in which their fan base was deluded to the point of being ridiculous. Bill Curry got run off after a string of 10+ win seasons because he couldn't beat Auburn and Gene Stallings got limited love even though he had an undefeated season with a national championship. So I'd suggest you make the switch soon so you can ride the remaining glory years out with Saban before they have to move on to the next poor SOB who has to follow that up. Clearly, though, you already have all the skills necessary for the post Saban era since you are clearly well versed in how to be both unsatisfied and severely disgruntled with anything that falls short of your unrealistic expectations. Heck, I think you've even got the stuff to make it as a regular caller to Finebaum's show! So, with that, I will close this response with the mantra that I hope will ultimately make you happier and more satisfied with your lot in life as a fan.... "Roll Tide, T-Rex!!!"

Too long winded. I did not bother. Sorry...

Have a great day!

 

[GatorTom85]

TLDR. Have an executive summary?

Yeah:
1) Seriously, T-REX, get a clue - any reasonable examination of Coach Mac's tenure can only lead to the conclusion that he has done pretty well overall given the hand he was dealt coming in and especially with the odd challenges he's had to deal with (Grier last year and number of injuries this year especially).
2) T-REX - I think you'd be much happier as a Bammer since your incessant unrealistic whiny bitch fests are a much better fit overall with the Bama culture.

Better? :cool:

 

[ATXGator]

I for one would prefer it if Mac doesn't win you back so maybe you and those like you would just go away. The level of negativity and angst that has been constantly spewed by you and those with similar perspectives has become tiresome at best and at at its worst it has gotten to the point of rivaling the sad state of GSMB to the point where it wasn't even worth trying to peruse the site.

I get that you and some others feel that you have some sort of entitlement to a program that is at the top of every list of accomplishments because that was where we were for a couple of glorious periods in our program's fairly recent history. For those of us who were Gator fans in the decades prior to 1990, however, many of us still have the perspective of what it was like prior to reaching those lofty heights so we can still appreciate what awesome achievements those were while also understanding that those heights are not guaranteed simply because of our status as a university or by the geographic advantages we enjoy by being located in a state that is a recruiting gold mine.

Ultimately, if one takes a balanced view of Coach Macs tenure so far, it is hard to really understand why there has been so much vitriol directed his way when:

a) he inherited a team decimated by injury, attrition and poor recruiting at key positions especially at OLine where he had too few lineman to even stage a solid Spring game.
b) he inherited a team with virtually no QB experience
c) he was able to pull together a recruiting class that netted our best offensive player (Calloway) and several really solid D players (as we discovered when he had to replace over half our starters on D this year) in spite of starting late and the situation he walked into
d) when 1st season play began, he was able to cultivate a redshirt QB that somehow Muschamp had yet to fully offend/ruin but that guy pulled a bonehead maneuver and got booted mid season
e) He had to survive all year with an OL so depleted that a transfer from Furman was our most important player due to his versatility in playing multiple positions and ability to remain unhurt
f) He still won the SEC East in spite of these challenges
g) he was able to pull together a better recruiting class in year 2 including an unprecedented 12 early enrollees the majority of which made significant contributions in the following season
h) he was able to win the East a second time despite massive injuries and an admittedly challenged stable of QBs with skills below the needed level to run his offense
i) he pulls in a top 10 recruiting class yr 3 which thankfully has quality personnel available to fill in at the areas of greatest need

If it was any other coach in any other school, I believe most rational people would be willing to give a guy with that track record the benefit of the doubt especially when they considered the uniquely difficult pattern of setbacks he's had to deal with during his relatively brief tenure. Not to say that there isn't still a great deal of room to improve, but given everything that has happened and Mac's ability to achieve some positive results in spite of those challenges, I think it is a much more reasonable approach to be cautiously optimistic than wildly and rabidly negative especially for those few like yourself who can't even accept an unambiguously positive outcome without finding some way to tarnish it so it can fit into your overall corrupted picture that overrides all aspects of your opinion of the program.

If it is really this unpleasant for you to be a Gator fan, perhaps it is time to find a new team to follow that will live up to your expectations so you can leave us poor deluded Gator fans behind to wallow in our delusions. In all honesty you and those like you would be much better Bammers anyway. After living in Alabama for multiple years, many of them during down years for Bama, I can honestly say that most of the so called "dumpers" on this forum have an attitude and outlook that is a way better fit with Bama anyway. Just remember, Bama wasn't always this good either and there was a realllllyyyyy long time period between the Bear and Saban in which their fan base was deluded to the point of being ridiculous. Bill Curry got run off after a string of 10+ win seasons because he couldn't beat Auburn and Gene Stallings got limited love even though he had an undefeated season with a national championship. So I'd suggest you make the switch soon so you can ride the remaining glory years out with Saban before they have to move on to the next poor SOB who has to follow that up. Clearly, though, you already have all the skills necessary for the post Saban era since you are clearly well versed in how to be both unsatisfied and severely disgruntled with anything that falls short of your unrealistic expectations. Heck, I think you've even got the stuff to make it as a regular caller to Finebaum's show! So, with that, I will close this response with the mantra that I hope will ultimately make you happier and more satisfied with your lot in life as a fan.... "Roll Tide, T-Rex!!!"

This is a fantastic write-up and I an see why SD and TRex don't want to read it. In reality... it is very hard for guys like Trex to combat something this honest. The points A - I are spot on and TRex still has failed to realize how far down we were.

On the IMG discussion also in the thread... I will agree with SD. If we put together a great product on the field... those kids are going to want to come. I don't think you can ignore the school that is producing the most D1 talent. I get that there are anti-Gator challenges, but an exciting offense will fix that. I believe we will se that this year.

 

[MidwestChomp]

Not the point. You just dont have any control over your hate spewing. You just cant do it. No matter how much good, you always find reason to vomit on every thread.

If anything give him credit for consistency.

 

[CU-UF]

Maybe. I don't know. And yet, Michigan, CUMeyes, FSU, Miami, ATM, LSU and others have no trouble recruiting there.

Well see how it goes next year after we have trimmed half of the useless recruiters.

2018 Prospects
Taron Vincent 5* - Baltimore
TJ Pledger 4* - West Hills CA
Houston Griffith 4* - Chicago
Brendan Radley-Hiles 4* - Las Vegas
Brian Hightower 4* - Calabasas CA

This past signing day Rivals 100, FSU 1, Michigan 2, TAM 1, LSU 1, Bama 1
2016 - LSU 2, Miss 1, Georgia 1, Clemson 1
2015 - FSU 1

I dont know that you can extrapolate anything with those numbers. If anything the variability is consistent with the hypothesis that these kids are coming from all over the country and IMG just happens to be in Florida. They are going to be interested in schools in the region that they are coming from.