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Candid Coaches: Who are the most overrated and underrated college football coaches?

Who is the most overrated coach in college football?

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Willie Taggart, Florida State 20 percent
James Franklin, Penn State 20 percent
Kirk Ferentz, Iowa 13 percent
Lane Kiffin, FAU 13 percent

Who is the most underrated coach in college football?
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David Shaw, Stanford12 percent
Chris Petersen, Washington12 percent
Dan Mullen, Florida 8 percent
Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern 8 percent
Kyle Whittingham, Utah8 percent

Explain yourselves (overrated)
  • "James Franklin. His coaching peers know he is full of it."
  • "I would say Willie Taggart at Florida State. He was only at Oregon for one year, and it's not like he really transformed that program -- and that's a place that's won for a long time. Not that he isn't good -- he's won. But usually when you get a job like Florida State, it's because you've won some championships or done something really amazing."
  • "[David Shaw] does a great job but, oh my Lord, I mean, it's like God's gift to football. I didn't say he didn't do a good job."
  • "Willie Taggart because he still has a career losing record."
  • "When [Franklin] got the Penn State job, I thought, 'Man, he's a good marketer.' He did a nice job with that. It'll be interesting without Saquon [Barkley]. He's underrated. He turns a lot of no[-gain] plays into 60-yard touchdowns."
  • "I'm probably a little jealous [of Lane Kiffin]. If you're born on third base, that's great, but don't think you hit a triple."
  • "We're going to see in the next three years [what happens with Jimbo Fisher at Texas A&M]. That disaster last year at Florida State, he prides himself on being just like Nick Saban. He only worked for him for a couple of years. He never has the organizational skills. He flies by the seat [of his pants]. It looks like it's organized and the words he uses are the same, but if you talk to people who work in his office, the desk is sloppy, the rooms are sloppy."
  • "If you had the No. 1 recruiting class in the country every year [you'd win like Nick Saban]. He shows up at every single game with a better roster than the teams he 's playing. … If you count cheating and getting the best players in the country as part of running a program, he's the best in the country. It's like saying an NFL coach is the best coach in the league if he gets 25 first-round picks every year."
  • "I like Urban [Meyer], but there have been some characters that played for him that I thought should have not allowed."
Explain yourselves (underrated)
  • "I thought what [Dan Mullen] did at Mississippi State was amazing. Mississippi State, who wants to take that job?"
  • "Mark Dantonio [is underrated]. He gets no respect because he isn't flashy and in the same state with a flashy guy that is unproven and hasn't won a big game yet."
  • "Underrated would be Blake Anderson at Arkansas State. They've won every year. Blake does a great job, and I never hear his name for jobs to move up."
  • "Underrated is Chris Petersen at Washington. There's a program that, prior to the last five years, had been down for a long, long time, and he's done an unbelievable job."
  • "[Stanford] can beat anybody in the country on any Saturday."
  • "[Jeff Brohm and Paul Chryst] I've always said, 'Show me a coach that wins at Alabama and Clemson, I'll show you a good coach. Show me a coach that wins at Wake Forest, I'll show you a great coach.' It's hard to mess it up at Ohio State and Penn State. It's really hard to win at Iowa State."
Breaking it down
Interestingly enough, three coaches -- David Shaw (Stanford), Tom Herman (Texas) and Kirk Ferentz (Iowa) -- received votes in both polls. As one would expect, the comments regarding the most underrated coaches were quite tame compared to those for those considered overrated by their peers.

Nick Saban (Alabama) and Jimbo Fisher (Texas A&M) took some significant shots above, but both only received a single vote from their peers as "overrated." Calling Franklin "full of it" is interesting considering he took Vanderbilt from 6-7 in his first season to 9-4 in consecutive years before taking Penn State from 7-6 in its first two seasons to 11 wins in each of his last two. Meanwhile, comments on Taggart mostly surrounded jealously that he obtained a job like FSU despite not necessarily putting the resume on paper that some others have to this point in their careers.
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Some of the comments are hilarious.
 

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My first thought for overrated was Jimbo. My first thought for underrated was Campbell or Brohm.
 

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Great topic. Never understood why Whittingham wasn't on our short list.
 

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My first thought for underrated was Campbell or Brohm.
Brohm killed himself going to Purdue. I don't know what the fvkk he was thinking. If he had stayed another year at WKU, he'd be at a top 10 school and making a top 10 salary.
 

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Bc he is Muskchump without the recruiting.
That's clearly inaccurate. 111-56 record, 11-1 in bowls, at a shyt school, many of those wins in a P5 conference.

Maybe we should stack him up against your boy Brohm.
 

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That's clearly inaccurate. 111-56 record, 11-1 in bowls, at a shyt school, many of those wins in a P5 conference.

Maybe we should stack him up against your boy Brohm.
He plays in a shyt conference and his offense is terrible. Even in that conference, he is an 8-4 coach. If that is your goal, he is another flavor of the same thing. We got an 8-4 guy already.

I agree that Purdue was a terrible choice for Brohm. I have no clue why he did it. Maybe he will surprise us. I thought the same thing about SOS at Duke but the Big 10 isn't the 80s ACC.
 

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He plays in a shyt conference and his offense is terrible.
It's middling, not terrible, nothing that a change in coordinators couldn't fix. My barometer is the W-L column. This guy is .665 lifetime, which is nothing to sneeze at.
 

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I consider Norvell as underrated. He coached Memphis to arguably thier best season ever. Yes Fuente built up that program but Norvell, took it to another level. With all the coaching changes that just occurred in the SEC, I'm surprised someone didn't snag him.
 

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Brohm's record is only marginally better and most of those came against directional schools.

You really do crack me up with the constant inference that truly great hiring prospects are walking around freely looking for jobs.

Your two "great" ideas thus far: Jeff Brohm and a permanent interim at UF while we shop.
 

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Brohm's record is only marginally better and most of those came against directional schools.

You really do crack me up with the constant inference that truly great hiring prospects are walking around freely looking for jobs.

Your two "great" ideas thus far: Jeff Brohm and a permanent interim at UF while we shop.
I would definitely go to the best OC I could find before just another "run out the clock" ball control guy. There are a few dozen I'd grab before Mullinz, Whittingham or all the usual mehhhh names that get mentioned any time a list of shytty available coaches are made.

How many coaches were hired this year? 12? And no one wanted Whittingham. Weird.
 

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I consider Norvell as underrated. He coached Memphis to arguably thier best season ever. Yes Fuente built up that program but Norvell, took it to another level. With all the coaching changes that just occurred in the SEC, I'm surprised someone didn't snag him.

Didn’t everyone pass on him ? There has to be something “there” for even tinerc to not hire him.
 

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I would definitely go to the best OC I could find before just another "run out the clock" ball control guy. There are a few dozen I'd grab before Mullinz, Whittingham or all the usual mehhhh names that get mentioned any time a list of shytty available coaches are made.

How many coaches were hired this year? 12? And no one wanted Whittingham. Weird.
12.3m buyout might have something to do with it.

Look, I'm not going to make Whittingham sound like the second coming of Urban Meyer trying to defend my point. I'm simply saying when you consider who was available last year, which after Kelly and Frost amounted to a pretty thin field, it's a little surprising his name didn't come up.
 

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12.3m buyout might have something to do with it.

Look, I'm not going to make Whittingham look like the second coming of Urban Meyer trying to defend my point. I'm simply saying when you consider who was available last year, which after Kelly and Frost amounted to a pretty thin field, it's a little surprising his name didn't come up.
The field sucked. No doubt. He is as average as all the rest slightly above average dudes with some positives and many not positives.

As for the field, there is not much free thinking out there. It is much like the NFL, where the same head coaches and same thinking just gets fired and circulated to another team no matter the actual record of accomplishment.

College ADs hire Saban or Meyer assistants and run Saban or Meyer offense. The only other option really is that sad sideways spread passing from Mumme/Leach, mostly because they succeeded some at Okie and Okie State.

Not much out of the box thinking. Let's face it, most ADs don't know the first damn thing about football.

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I consider Norvell as underrated. He coached Memphis to arguably thier best season ever. Yes Fuente built up that program but Norvell, took it to another level. With all the coaching changes that just occurred in the SEC, I'm surprised someone didn't snag him.

Rumor was he had some black mark against him, even Tennessee didn’t pursue him for some reason, and they went after 10 different guys before finding one that would take the job. He’s in their own state, must be something to the rumor, lucky for Memphis I guess.
 

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@‘78 The Messiah himself could be available as our next coach but if he’s coaching in the PAC-12, @Swamp Donkey isn’t going to want him or give any due credit.
 

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