OSU Saga: Meyer suspended for 3 games

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Well I know for a fact that you need a federal court order to pull deleted email/messages from an account without the users permission. Yes you can file a normal subpoena with your local magistrate, but you need the other parties written consent to pull these. If they don't sign that subpoena you cant pull them, no?

We pulled the text messages from my Verizon account with a court order, with the state attorney's paperwork and signature. Ownership is the key, I owned by account and gave consent. If the university owns the account and gives consent they can be pulled. Just like emails, if Ohio State owns the email server, first by federal law they should have redundancy (which I'm sure the investigator tried so hard to pull up). If not they should have ownership of at least the transmission and acceptance on that account.
 

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Exactly the reason why hell be gone by 2020.....no mother in the country is going to allow him into their house not too mention every coach bringing this up for the next few years when someone mentions OSU as an option

If um coached softball or volleyball, you might be correct. Parents of boys who want scholarships and possibly a path to the nfl aren’t going to care as much.
 

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We pulled the text messages from my Verizon account with a court order, with the state attorney's paperwork and signature. Ownership is the key, I owned by account and gave consent. If the university owns the account and gives consent they can be pulled. Just like emails, if Ohio State owns the email server, first by federal law they should have redundancy (which I'm sure the investigator tried so hard to pull up). If not they should have ownership of at least the transmission and acceptance on that account.
Yes I agree, but if its his personal phone that he pays the bill on and text messages from his wife, and he doesn't sign a consent....good luck getting those...And im sure Urbs has more than one phone, he probably has about 5.
 

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Yes I agree, but if its his personal phone that he pays the bill on and text messages from his wife, and he doesn't sign a consent....good luck getting those...And im sure Urbs has more than one phone, he probably has about 5.
It is a company phone.
 

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Something that probably happened somewhere by DV, what if 2 months ago Zack choked his wife to death. How contrite would proud Urban Meyer feel?
 

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Nothing is ever truly deleted from a phone. The metadata stays on the phone .
Im pretty familiar with digital evidence. Metadata isnt quite right. Unallocated space searches for deleted data is what you were looking for. Howver, yes, it was all still there if they WANTED to find it.

They didnt. What they had aroeady was too much for them to overlook.
 

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Mandatory reporter is a different issue.
So, can you explain it?

On the other issue, he more than likely knew and didn’t care. OSU did what they could to keep him and pass Title IX scrutiny. I understand your POV and MJM’s. They are talking about two different angles of this. End of the day, Title IX doesn’t affect us much. However, mandatory reporters may.
 

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It is a company phone.

Im pretty familiar with digital evidence. Metadata isnt quite right. Unallocated space searches for deleted data is what you were looking for. However, yes, it was all still there if they WANTED to find it.

They didn't. What they had already was too much for them to overlook.
No its metadata left on the phone that you can search for and rebuild text messages/email messages, the ones and zeros that are not completely deleted when you remove or "delete" a message. there is still a trace/digital fingerprint of that data left on the device.

https://www.forensicmag.com/.../preservation-sms-messages-mobile-device-ediscover..
 

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Im pretty familiar with digital evidence. Metadata isnt quite right. Unallocated space searches for deleted data is what you were looking for. Howver, yes, it was all still there if they WANTED to find it.

They didnt. What they had aroeady was too much for them to overlook.
If you are wanting to recover files, applications, programs from a said Windows OS, then yes you can do unallocated space searches for the files
 

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Curious how OH privacy laws differ from FL which is quite open and how it would apply if it is a corporate phone, or what if it is a separate athletic nonprofit phone? Given that they had some messages, it had to be a company phone. Wonder how the newer phones deal with deletions and if they encrypt the data separately, or wipe deleted data with os update
 

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Dentists have to take 20 credits of Continuing Education to be able to renew our license to practice.
A 3-day seminar scores 6 CEUnits, 2 CEU per day served. 16 CEUs were our free choices but 4 CEUs had to come from courses in Domestic Violence/Child Abuse and Aids Research. Think about that a DV course every year. How much does DV change each year? See that's how important the powers that be, want designated reportership pounded into our brains. We get manuals and a sticker to go on every phone in the office; that's the # to call to notify the experts.

I reported one case in 35 years. She presented in my office with 2 grossly chipped central incisors, along with an awful black eye and an abrasion on her temple. When I asked how this happened, she was mum, but I could tell by her dropped gaze. I lied that I had to medicate the nearly exposed nerves for 5 days before I could restore the broken teeth, (I lied.) I also told her I needed to photograph the teeth to preconstruct the bond replacements. Took 2 photos. Got the teeth and the eye & temple. Poloroid makes a very large professional's instant camera.

Once she left I phoned the experts, filled them in, gave the victim's address & phone #. Together we decided that they would be at my office when she comes for restorations, so her abusive partner wouldn't know. The meeting with her worked well since she went with them to a protective shelter. If the experts had just come for the photo evidence, I was going to make them sign for them and give me the case # and a promise to inform me that action was taken. It's unfinished business that I'd have to know a good outcome not to wonder & worry.

All faculty at any public school take seminars as designated reporters. More and more State legislators are making this law = legal liabilities.
 

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Exactly the reason why hell be gone by 2020.....no mother in the country is going to allow him into their house not too mention every coach bringing this up for the next few years when someone mentions OSU as an option
You underestimate the value of the golden goose that is football in underprivileged communities. And at the risk of sounding politically incorrect, domestic violence is more prevalent in underprivileged communities, regardless of ethnicity. The outrage is just not there, unfortunately.
 

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So, can you explain it?

On the other issue, he more than likely knew and didn’t care. OSU did what they could to keep him and pass Title IX scrutiny. I understand your POV and MJM’s. They are talking about two different angles of this. End of the day, Title IX doesn’t affect us much. However, mandatory reporters may.
No, Alchy, it cant be done in a few paragraphs. Frankly nor do I care to. If you are a mandatory reporter talk to your counsel.
 

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Well I know for a fact that you need a federal court order to pull deleted email/messages from an account without the users permission. Yes you can file a normal subpoena with your local magistrate, but you need the other parties written consent to pull these. If they don't sign that subpoena you cant pull them, no?
It is OSUs phone.

Moreover he can be fired for not cooperating.
 

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No, Alchy, it cant be done in a few paragraphs. Frankly nor do I care to. If you are a mandatory reporter talk to your counsel.
Not a mandatory reporter, and glad i’m Not
 

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How many months of computer forensic training do you have? Metadata refers to the data in files that we usually don't see that show things like origination and routing of files. Metadata of the files that remain might show things like files being deleted, akin to your digital computer (remember those) showing only files 156 and on, so you know some are missing.

Most deleted files are found in unallocated space. In the simplest terms, files usually aren't really deleted, just the first character or first few characters, unless someone pulls a Hillary Clinton and bleachbyts them to rewrite every bit on a drive then applies a sledgehammer to what is left.
 
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Not a mandatory reporter, and glad i’m Not
I'm not really trying to be a smart ass. We were once house counsel for several hospitals and large phys groups and malpractice counsel were basically everyone. There was rarely a decent sized malpractice case we didn't have someone (multiple providers need multiple firms). We did education series to our nurses and providers but in general we told them if you think it's gray area, call us and let us decide.

That is the position all of my employers have taken also.
 

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LATEST MEYER BACKTRACK ON Wednesday's poor effort.....released after 5 on Friday....lol....feeling the heat

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Below is Meyer's entire statement posted to his Twitter account:

My words and demeanor on Wednesday did not show how seriously I take relationship violence. I sincerely apologize. I was taught at a very young age that if I ever hit a woman, I would be kicked out of the house and never welcomed back. I have the same rule in my house and in the Football Program at Ohio State. Over the years, we have worked hard to educate and remind our coaches and players of the seriousness of relationship violence.

I understand my lack of more action in this situation has raised concerns about this commitment. I once again apologize for this, and I extend my empathy to all women, men and families who are affected by relationship violence. This has been a real learning experience for me. I fully intend to use my voice more effectively to be part of the solution.

Let me say what I should have said on Wednesday: I sincerely apologize to Courtney Smith and her children for what they have gone through.
 

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