Can we now be glad we have Mullen and not....

[soflagator]

Misleading stat is misleading.

 

[Omar's Coming Yo!]

One coach took over 2 historically terrible teams with no talent. Another took over a bad team, got the AD to load the schedule with OOC creampuffs the 9 years he was there. It's why Mullen won 7-8 games on avg a year yet over got above 500 in SEC play once. I bet you flip the script and see how well both do.

 

[soflagator]

One coach took over 2 historically terrible teams with no talent. Another took over a bad team, got the AD to load the schedule with OOC creampuffs the 9 years he was there. It's why Mullen won 7-8 games on avg a year yet over got above 500 in SEC play once. I bet you flip the script and see how well both do.

Usf was a very solid team as recent as 2007, and pulled an upset over Notre Dame in 2011, just 2 seasons before WT took over. Skip's 3-9 campaign in 2012 was the worst in school history, and coupled with a 5-7 2011 season, earned him a pink slip. Schools that are "historically terrible" don't fire coaches who go 16-21 in their first 3 seasons, especially with wins over ND, miami, Clemson and others.

As was pointed out, based on the talent surrounding them, they have an advantage over just about everyone they face in the AAC.

As for WK, I stated last night that a high energy guy can come in and change a culture in a brief period of time, especially at that level of competition. Ask Lane Kiffin if it's easier to get FAU from 3 wins to 9 wins, or to get USC from 9-12. I'm not discounting entirely what he did there. But similar to Zook at Illinois, a quick infusion of talent and energy will only take you so far.

But again, you're arguing with the wrong people. I haven't heard or read a single CFB mouthpiece that hasn't said virtually word for word exactly what you've read here regarding his performance Monday.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Misleading stat is misleading.

Wow! Surprise.

Another thread with Omar sucking Clown Cawk..... like every other thread.

 

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Then you let UT have him. A new 20 million dollar mistake is easier to fix than a $36M+ mistake.

Good idea. We could have gotten Petrino with that kind of money.

 

[lagator]

The only difference that matters is the CJM believed that Grier and Harris should be in a QB battle. If you don't believe that this staff, with any of the shortcomings it may have, is light years better than a guy who can't recognize that difference - then I don't know what to tell you. One of these things was clearly not like the other.

Who would Mullen start if he had those 2 QB's?

I don't give a sh#t about WT's record, but all that stat tells me is Mullen lost 13 times to unranked opponents and has one of the all time worst records vs ranked opponents.

Not sure if that is misleading, but it's plenty depressing. But Franks looks different this year, maybe Mullen is really different too? Swonkey is right that generally you are what your record says you are, and tigers don't change their stripes, etc. But there is always the exception to prove the rule. I'm hoping Mullen is the exception but not banking on it.

 

[Slevin]

Usf was a very solid team as recent as 2007, and pulled an upset over Notre Dame in 2011, just 2 seasons before WT took over. Skip's 3-9 campaign in 2012 was the worst in school history, and coupled with a 5-7 2011 season, earned him a pink slip. Schools that are "historically terrible" don't fire coaches who go 16-21 in their first 3 seasons, especially with wins over ND, miami, Clemson and others.

As was pointed out, based on the talent surrounding them, they have an advantage over just about everyone they face in the AAC.

As for WK, I stated last night that a high energy guy can come in and change a culture in a brief period of time, especially at that level of competition. Ask Lane Kiffin if it's easier to get FAU from 3 wins to 9 wins, or to get USC from 9-12. I'm not discounting entirely what he did there. But similar to Zook at Illinois, a quick infusion of talent and energy will only take you so far.

But again, you're arguing with the wrong people. I haven't heard or read a single CFB mouthpiece that hasn't said virtually word for word exactly what you've read here regarding his performance Monday.

Yeah. WKU was at no disadvantage talent wise. What a load of **** and an absolutely horrendous thing to say. They are equally on par with their schedule. Takes coaching to get those types of teams to be successful. He beat 2 teams who finished with a winning record the two years he won 7 games there. He’s been outclassed and out coached by every team on par or better than his.

Mullen however was at a disadvantage talent wise. He took over a floundering MSU team in the midst of LSU, Bama, and Auburn all playing for national titles. He took a historically WKU like program and got them their first ever number one ranking in school history while beating 3 top 10 teams in a row. Every bit of it was overachieving and that is backed with fact and history, 100 plus years of it.

 

[soflagator]

Who would Mullen start if he had those 2 QB's?

I don't give a sh#t about WT's record, but all that stat tells me is Mullen lost 13 times to unranked opponents and has one of the all time worst records vs ranked opponents.

Yeah. WKU was at no disadvantage talent wise. What a load of **** and an absolutely horrendous thing to say. They are equally on par with their schedule. Takes coaching to get those types of teams to be successful. He beat 2 teams who finished with a winning record the two years he won 7 games there. He’s been outclassed and out coached by every team on par or better than his.

Honestly, I kind of wish these threads would've died off by now. I've contributed to it, so I'm just as much to blame. But all the points we could make, regardless of our position on the Mullen hire, have been made. We're already in week 2, and still discussing comparisons and ideal scenarios. May as well enjoy finding out what we have, especially considering the way things have begun for WT and the noles, which is really what this thread was supposed to be about anyway.

 

[lagator]

Honestly, I kind of wish these threads would've died off by now. I've contributed to it, so I'm just as much to blame. But all the points we could make, regardless of our position on the Mullen hire, have been made. We're already in week 2, and still discussing comparisons and ideal scenarios. May as well enjoy finding out what we have, especially considering the way things have begun for WT and the noles, which is really what this thread was supposed to be about anyway.

I'm thrilled with the WT hire. That can only help Mullen and our Gators, and the fact that they boxed themselves in financially if they part with him makes it so much better. I just hope he keeps himself clean so they can't fire him for cause.

As far as everything having already been said for and against Mullen's record, and now just sitting back and watching how it plays out, I'll drink to that (that is if Lagoon left any for the rest of us, the drunkard).

But seriously, I like the Mullen hire more this week than I did last. And this week's opponent should allow us to learn a lot more than CSU so hopefully we'll feel even better about it Saturday night.

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Luke Fickell even

Randy Edsall even

Scottie Montgomery never heard of him, so yes

Major Applewhite even

Mike Norvell

Ken Niumatalolo

Sonny Dykes

Charlie Strong

Geoff Collins even

Willie Fritz

Philip Montgomery

Josh Heupel

Steve Addazio even

Dabo Swinney

David Cutcliffe

Willie Taggart NO

Paul Johnson even

Bobby Petrino

Mark Richt

Larry Fedora

Dave Doeren

Pat Narduzzi

Dino Babers

Bronco Mendenhall

Justin Fuente

Dave Clawson

Matt Rhule

Matt Campbell

David Beaty

Bill Snyder

Lincoln Riley

Mike Gundy

Gary Patterson

Tom Herman

Kliff Kingsbury

Dana Holgorsen

Lovie Smith even

Tom Allen

Kirk Ferentz

D. J. Durkin

Jim Harbaugh

Mark Dantonio

P. J. Fleck

Scott Frost

Pat Fitzgerald

Urban Meyer

James Franklin

Jeff Brohm

Chris Ash

Paul Chryst

Brad Lambert

Lane Kiffin NO

Butch Davis NO

Skip Holtz even

Doc Holliday

Rick Stockstill

Seth Littrell

Bobby Wilder

Mike Bloomgren

Jay Hopson

Bill Clark

Dana Dimel

Frank Wilson

Mike Sanford Jr.

Jeff Monken

Kalani Sitake

Turner Gill

Doug Martin

Brian Kelly

Mark Whipple

Terry Bowden

Mike Neu

Mike Jinks

Lance Leipold

John Bonamego

Chris Creighton

Sean Lewis

Chuck Martin

Rod Carey

Frank Solich

Jason Candle

Tim Lester

Troy Calhoun

Bryan Harsin

Mike Bobo

Jeff Tedford

Nick Rolovich

Jay Norvell

Bob Davie even (same coach)

Rocky Long

Brent Brennan

Tony Sanchez

Matt Wells

Craig Bohl

Kevin Sumlin

Herm Edwards

Justin Wilcox

Mike MacIntyre

Mario Cristobal

Jonathan Smith

David Shaw

Chip Kelly

Clay Helton

Kyle Whittingham

Chris Petersen

Mike Leach

Nick Saban

Chad Morris

Gus Malzahn

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Mike Denbrock


John Dunn


Tony Petersen


Kendal Briles


Kenny Dillingham


Ivin Jasper


Rhett Lashlee


Sterlin Gilbert


Dave Patenaude


Doug Ruse


Philip Montgomery


Josh Heupel


Scot Loeffler


Tony Elliott / Jeff Scott


Zac Roper


Walt Bell


Paul Johnson


Lonnie Galloway / Mike Summers no


Marcus Freeman


Billy Crocker


David Blackwell


Mark D'Onofrio


Chris Ball


Dale Pehrson


Kevin Kane


Brian Jean-Mary


Andrew Thacker


Jack Curtis


Bill Young


Randy Shannon NO


Jim Reid / Anthony Campanile


Brent Venables


Ben Albert / Matt Geurrieri


Harlon Barnett


Nate Woody


Brian VanGorder


Manny Diaz


John Papuchis


Dave Huxtable / Ted Roof


Randy Bates


Brian Ward


Nick Howell / Kelly Poppinga


Bud Foster


Jay Sawvel


Phil Snow


Jon Heacock


Clint Bowen


Blake Seiler / Brian Norwood


Mike Stoops


Jim Knowles


Chad Glasgow


Todd Orlando


David Gibbs / Zac Spavital


Tony Gibson


Hardy Nickerson


Tom Allen / Mark Hagen


Phil Parker


Jimmy Brumbaugh / Andy Buh


Don Brown


Mike Tressel


Robb Smith


Erik Chinander


Mike Hankwitz


Alex Grinch / Greg Schiano


Brent Pry / Tim Banks


Nick Holt / Anthony Poindexter


Jay Niemann / Noah Joseph


Jim Leonhard


Glenn Spencer / Chip West


Tony Pecoraro


Brent Guy


Blake Baker


Adam Fuller


Scott Shafer


Troy Reffett


Rich Nagy


Brian Smith


Tim Billings / Derek Nicholson


David Reeves


Mike Cox


Jason Rollins


Clayton White


Jay Bateman


Ilaisa Tuiaki


Robert Wimberly


Frank Spaziani


Clark Lea


Ed Pinkham


Vacant YES


David Elson


Carl Pelini / Marcus White


Brian Borland


Greg Colby


Neal Neathery


Tom Kaufman


Spence Nowinsky / John Hauser


Jeff Knowles


Jimmy Burrow


Brian George


Tim Daoust / Lou Esposito


Vacant


Andy Avalos


John Jancek


Bert Watts


Corey Batoon


Jeff Casteel


Kevin Cosgrove


Zach Arnett


Derrick Odum


Tim Skipper even

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

So you’re just copy and pasting lists now? We want a specific answer with specific reasons. What coach, within reason, should we have hired instead of Mullen?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

So you’re just copy and pasting lists now? We want a specific answer with specific reasons. What coach, within reason, should we have hired instead of Mullen?

Go copulate yourself. And stop interrupting. I'm getting ready to post all NFL offensive and defensive coordinators, plus most retired coaches, plus all 1AA coaches.

 

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Major Applewhite.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Major Applewhite.

That one might be a stretch. I'd say even.

I distinctly remember some here claiming ole Applewhite was a game breaker one year when he was the OC for one of the Texas little league teams.

 

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What's the name for the obnoxious vertical cat that takes up a full page?

Law just posted his version of the pussy.

 

[5-Star Finger]

Who would Mullen start if he had those 2 QB's?

I don't give a sh#t about WT's record, but all that stat tells me is Mullen lost 13 times to unranked opponents and has one of the all time worst records vs ranked opponents.

Not sure if that is misleading, but it's plenty depressing. But Franks looks different this year, maybe Mullen is really different too? Swonkey is right that generally you are what your record says you are, and tigers don't change their stripes, etc. But there is always the exception to prove the rule. I'm hoping Mullen is the exception but not banking on it.

Hold up, let's not move the goal posts. Either you need to make the argument that Butters > Mullen or you missed entirely what I'm saying.

I think you can see for yourself the answer this year. EJ is clearly a better fit, but he's not the best chance of winning - at least not yet. He'd start WG who was a willing runner and a more capable passer.

 

[lagator]

Hold up, let's not move the goal posts. Either you need to make the argument that Butters > Mullen or you missed entirely what I'm saying.

I think you can see for yourself the answer this year. EJ is clearly a better fit, but he's not the best chance of winning - at least not yet. He'd start WG who was a willing runner and a more capable passer.

Maybe or maybe not. He wouldn't have recruited Grier though.

 

[5-Star Finger]

IThis is a common tactic by you, when you don't have verifiable proof. Going with the I know I'm right? So if Harris was so equal, you forget the other three quarters of the game or the following game.

True to my word, I'm only responding to this because it's clear now why you felt the need to argue with me. Facts don't care about feelings. This could have been a simple two post exchange. You can argue interpretations of facts but not facts themselves. That's my tactic Doug. I don't talk about things unless I know what I'm talking about. You have yourself a good night.