Stricklin: Hiring a football coach more difficult than fans realize

Woodroe

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I wouldn't even answer the phone for anyone near that state.
Don't blame the whole state. There is a movement to bust off the vast majority of the state into its own separate "New California" and leave the "old" Californians to wallow in their sty.
 

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I don't get it...i've been to LA several times for work and i can't stand the place. Sure the landscape is beautiful in CA but i for one can't stand all the traffic and people (and politics). Last visit there it took me over 3 hours to drive 30 miles to my hotel from LAX. You could pay me enough to move there for a job though...but not if im as in demand as a guy like Kelly...if i could demand and get $6 million a year anywhere I want I wouldn't even answer the phone for anyone near that state.

I suspect the rich & famous have means to avoid our inconveniences.

To illustrate your point, screen shot at 8:50 PST of traffic in LA with UCLA

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Admittedly, I don't "know" much of anything for an absolute certainty, with one notable exception. Our AD fired the wretched excuse for a HC we had (who was in fact nothing but a paycheck stealing fraud), and got his ass the hell out of here. That in and of itself was laudable in the extreme - regardless of what did or did not happen during the hiring process. It seems that for whatever reason, after the great trek to NH, the decision was made that Kelly was not the man. I know that there are reasons to dispute that conclusion, and I am far from certain of it myself. But unless Kelly just out-right lied, we never tendered an offer and the rest is history. CK ain't no angel, and he has the firings and NCAA baggage to prove it. And Frost was probably all Nebraska from jump and you can't lose something that you never had.

Regardless of what does or does not happen over the next few years in terms of championships, DM is a huge upgrade over what we had. If he can improve the talent level, set us back on an even keel, and return us to the kind of disciplined, well- conditioned and well-coached team we all want, I will deem his first 3 years to be a real success. After all the misery this program has been through for the last 8 years (thanks again Foley), real progress will descend upon us like the gentle rain from Heaven. And boy am I thirsty.
 

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Admittedly, I don't "know" much of anything for an absolute certainty, with one notable exception. Our AD fired the wretched excuse for a HC we had (who was in fact nothing but a paycheck stealing fraud), and got his ass the hell out of here. That in and of itself was laudable in the extreme - regardless of what did or did not happen during the hiring process. It seems that for whatever reason, after the great trek to NH, the decision was made that Kelly was not the man. I know that there are reasons to dispute that conclusion, and I am far from certain of it myself. But unless Kelly just out-right lied, we never tendered an offer and the rest is history. CK ain't no angel, and he has the firings and NCAA baggage to prove it. And Frost was probably all Nebraska from jump and you can't lose something that you never had.

Regardless of what does or does not happen over the next few years in terms of championships, DM is a huge upgrade over what we had. If he can improve the talent level, set us back on an even keel, and return us to the kind of disciplined, well- conditioned and well-coached team we all want, I will deem his first 3 years to be a real success. After all the misery this program has been through for the last 8 years (thanks again Foley), real progress will descend upon us like the gentle rain from Heaven. And boy am I thirsty.
Agree with almost all of it except:

1. SS should have fired JM sooner and with less severance due to credit card scam, loss of control, death threats, insubordination (some of the stuff that has been coming out about the undermining of the athletic department is total BS if it really occurred), etc.
2. If DM was SS's #1 (which I believe he should have been after learning Frost had no interest) from the beginning (as has been reported), he should not have hesitated to go get him from the jump because it made him feel queasy poaching him from MSU (as has been reported). This, in my mind, if true, is tantamount to a breach of duty owed to UF under his employment contract that almost certainly contains language creating a duty to us and no one else (even former employer/alma mater).
3. If DM was not his #1 and it was CK, I am disappointed in SS in that he was outbid/outsold/outmaneuvered/outsomethinged by UCLA. UCLA for petesake. (Although if this is the case, I am glad in general because CK was nowhere near the top of my list.)
4. He could have hooked DM with a lower paycheck if he would have played the CK card right, probably even without doing that.
5. And this is the MOST IMPORTANT. He should get Foley out of whatever role he is playing now and out of the building.

So in the end I am glad we got DM. However, I think whether #2 or #3 above is true, SS lucked into him and came close to screwing the pooch. And then he b!tches and moans about how hard his job is and how the fans just don't understand and how his all this money flying around makes his job hard. Give me a break. Man up, and as '78 so succinctly put it, let your Assistant momentarily hold your beer, and get the job done.
 

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Agree with almost all of it except:

1. SS should have fired JM sooner and with less severance due to credit card scam, loss of control, death threats, insubordination (some of the stuff that has been coming out about the undermining of the athletic department is total BS if it really occurred), etc.
2. If DM was SS's #1 (which I believe he should have been after learning Frost had no interest) from the beginning (as has been reported), he should not have hesitated to go get him from the jump because it made him feel queasy poaching him from MSU (as has been reported). This, in my mind, if true, is tantamount to a breach of duty owed to UF under his employment contract that almost certainly contains language creating a duty to us and no one else (even former employer/alma mater).
3. If DM was not his #1 and it was CK, I am disappointed in SS in that he was outbid/outsold/outmaneuvered/outsomethinged by UCLA. UCLA for petesake. (Although if this is the case, I am glad in general because CK was nowhere near the top of my list.)
4. He could have hooked DM with a lower paycheck if he would have played the CK card right, probably even without doing that.
5. And this is the MOST IMPORTANT. He should get Foley out of whatever role he is playing now and out of the building.

So in the end I am glad we got DM. However, I think whether #2 or #3 above is true, SS lucked into him and came close to screwing the pooch. And then he b!tches and moans about how hard his job is and how the fans just don't understand and how his all this money flying around makes his job hard. Give me a break. Man up, and as '78 so succinctly put it, let your Assistant momentarily hold your beer, and get the job done.

Amen brother!!!!. Should have happened 20 years ago!!!!!!!
 

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And then he b!tches and moans about how hard his job is and how the fans just don't understand and how his all this money flying around makes his job hard. Give me a break. Man up, and as '78 so succinctly put it, let your Assistant momentarily hold your beer, and get the job done.

I don't get this take on the article. To me it sounded like he simply laid out the facts on what makes ANY ADs job more difficult today than it probably was 20 years ago. It didn't sound like b!tching and moaning at all to me.

If anything I think the guy really likes this job. Loved his trolling on Twitter. Sure, UAA is making his job a bit harder than he had it at MSU, but it's not like that wasn't public domain info. They scrimp, and everyone knows it.
 

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I don't find fault with any of your points Woodroe. I'm just basically so glad to see Jimmy Numbnut gone that I'm disposed towards forgiving all else and moving on. One of those deals where we lost some battles, but will eventually win the war - I hope. Good thoughtful post though and all good points. One thing I know almost all of us agree on is that Foley doesn't need to be connected with the daily business of this program in any way whatsoever. I'm so sick of seeing his shameless ass on the sidelines I could just puke. Please Foley, for crying out loud, just go away.
 

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I don't get this take on the article. To me it sounded like he simply laid out the facts on what makes ANY ADs job more difficult today than it probably was 20 years ago. It didn't sound like b!tching and moaning at all to me.

If anything I think the guy really likes this job. Loved his trolling on Twitter. Sure, UAA is making his job a bit harder than he had it at MSU, but it's not like that wasn't public domain info. They scrimp, and everyone knows it.

You're wasting your time. :lol:
 

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I don't get this take on the article. To me it sounded like he simply laid out the facts on what makes ANY ADs job more difficult today than it probably was 20 years ago. It didn't sound like b!tching and moaning at all to me.

If anything I think the guy really likes this job. Loved his trolling on Twitter. Sure, UAA is making his job a bit harder than he had it at MSU, but it's not like that wasn't public domain info. They scrimp, and everyone knows it.
The following quotes or paraphrases are what gets me in a dander as a fan. When a reporter comes along and asks you "What don't your fans understand?", the media savvy AD says "I love every one of those fans. So glad we have so much interest in our program. So glad we have one of the top ten revenue programs year in and year out. I think those fans that cause us to be in that top ten are very well versed on all things. My job, Dan's job, Steve's job, the grasscutters job, the guy who decided on that fukked up font's job. I want to hear what they all have to say about every aspect of our program. Now I understand that I cannot make them all happy, but my job is to make the biggest portion of them (really the most money but he can't say that) happy that I can, while ethically running the program, following all the rules, making sure everyone follows all the rules, graduating upstanding citizens from all sports of both sexes, making sure the athletes are educated properly, etc."

"Fans don’t understand why an athletic director can’t “just go and get him,” Stricklin said."

"Another complication fans don’t deal with when playing fantasy athletic director and hiring coaches: agents. Stricklin admitted finding it difficult when talking to agents to accurately gauge their clients’ genuine interest in the Florida job as opposed to their just trying to use the Florida job to leverage their client’s current employer for more money."

"Stricklin thinks the rate at which universities turn over not only football coaches, but athletic directors and presidents as well, contributes to their being a shortage of all three to fill high-profile vacancies. Athletic directors have many important responsibilities, none more so than hiring a football coach, and doing so successfully is a lot more difficult than it seems from the outside."
 

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The following quotes or paraphrases are what gets me in a dander as a fan. When a reporter comes along and asks you "What don't your fans understand?", the media savvy AD says "I love every one of those fans. So glad we have so much interest in our program. So glad we have one of the top ten revenue programs year in and year out. I think those fans that cause us to be in that top ten are very well versed on all things. My job, Dan's job, Steve's job, the grasscutters job, the guy who decided on that fukked up font's job. I want to hear what they all have to say about every aspect of our program. Now I understand that I cannot make them all happy, but my job is to make the biggest portion of them (really the most money but he can't say that) happy that I can, while ethically running the program, following all the rules, making sure everyone follows all the rules, graduating upstanding citizens from all sports of both sexes, making sure the athletes are educated properly, etc."

"Fans don’t understand why an athletic director can’t “just go and get him,” Stricklin said."

"Another complication fans don’t deal with when playing fantasy athletic director and hiring coaches: agents. Stricklin admitted finding it difficult when talking to agents to accurately gauge their clients’ genuine interest in the Florida job as opposed to their just trying to use the Florida job to leverage their client’s current employer for more money."

"Stricklin thinks the rate at which universities turn over not only football coaches, but athletic directors and presidents as well, contributes to their being a shortage of all three to fill high-profile vacancies. Athletic directors have many important responsibilities, none more so than hiring a football coach, and doing so successfully is a lot more difficult than it seems from the outside."
Again, I see this as saying it as-it-is, not whining about how he can't do things. But others are probably right...I'm wasting my time with you on this. You're clearly reading it as you like.
 

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You're wasting your time. :lol:

I'd give up too.:banghead:You and my wife could start group therapy for this feeling you're having.
I know I'm hard-headed but you both knew it when you started up with me so it's really your fault.
 

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I'd give up too.:banghead:You and my wife could start group therapy for this feeling you're having.
I know I'm hard-headed but you both knew it when you started up with me so it's really your fault.

You’re offering a sailor the freedom to hang out with your wife? Either you’re trying to get rid of her or you’re not very smart. The dirty buggers jump from port to port, just saying...

Oops, just realized you responded to divits, not durfish.
 

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2. If DM was SS's #1 (which I believe he should have been after learning Frost had no interest) from the beginning (as has been reported), he should not have hesitated to go get him from the jump because it made him feel queasy poaching him from MSU (as has been reported). This, in my mind, if true, is tantamount to a breach of duty owed to UF under his employment contract that almost certainly contains language creating a duty to us and no one else (even former employer/alma mater).

Miss State’s season ended Nov. 23rd. Stricklin called Mullen the next day, had the deal done the next. The Gators’ season ended Nov. 25th and news about Mullen’s hiring came out on Nov. 26th. How much more “from the jump” could this have been with Mullen?

I don’t care that Stricklin threw a bone of expressed concern to his alma mater/former employer. If he had NOT hired Mullen because of that it would have been a breach.
 

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Miss State’s season ended Nov. 23rd. Stricklin called Mullen the next day, had the deal done the next. The Gators’ season ended Nov. 25th and news about Mullen’s hiring came out on Nov. 26th. How much more “from the jump” could this have been with Mullen?

I don’t care that Stricklin threw a bone of expressed concern to his alma mater/former employer. If he had NOT hired Mullen because of that it would have been a breach.
The following is the quote from the article that Dooley claims came straight from stricklin:

"Had Stricklin not had special ties to Starkville, Miss., it would have been a one-man race and Mullen would have been the target. But leaving his alma mater behind had been tough enough. Reaching in to swipe the best coach in Mississippi State history would be brutal for people he cares about

UF needed the closest coach to a sure thing. In a staff meeting, Stricklin let it be known that he had no doubt Mullen would be a big winner at Florida, but the thought of stealing a coach from his alma mater where he had so many deep relationships made him queasy."

I've never said I believe it. But if that statement's true he should be let go.
 

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Wood, you've certainly made your points.....over and over and over again.

There are some things you can be critical of when it comes to Stricklin (such as Mac's extension), but I don't think this answer he gave is one of them. You're eager to nail his ass, that's obvious.
 

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