andywarhol;n269850 said:
I didn't say "expect." No one expected the results of Fisher's first year, they were a 7-6 Gator Bowl team the year before. I'm just pointing out the similarities. I also think you put too much stock into an assistant's role. It's a completely different gig when you're a head coach. In that matter, McElwain has an advantage since he has already learned how to be a head coach.
You didn't say "expect", I did. I also said something about a fool being involved.
You pointed out the similarities. You left off the fact that they both wear shoes - one big and red and floppy, the other without socks. Also they both smile a lot to the cameras - one sweating and wondering if he's going to get blindsided by a player-arrest situation, the other because he doesn't realize he has raccoon eyes. And they both now coach in the state of Florida - one inherited a program he'd been working in for some time, the other is asked to turn around the Titanic when it's half under water.
You didn't address the differences. Such as HC experience - one sat under Saint Bobby in Tallacrappy where he basically had to maintain the status quo (legal or not) once he ascended to the position after waiting 3 yrs for the old fart to get pushed out, the other went to a team in the dumps, turned them around and started setting records, then was asked to come into a worse situation than CSU and fix it. One took a program that traditionally operates at 65-70% true champion level but was running at 60% and raised it to 80%, which is good enough in the ACC to get you on the national stage. The other is asked to take a team that is used to running at an 80-85% level but was down to about 30-40% and get it back to at least 60% in the first year and 80%+ by the second year. Even that may not be good enough to compete in the SEC. You didn't point out that one took over the HC role entering his FOURTH year recruiting and developing the players on the roster while the other guy has stepped in with A FEW MONTHS to get his first class recruited and a first year of his strategy getting hamstrung by a lack of depth and change in philosophy for the players to grasp and apply. Here's another one for you - one left the OC position under Saban to become....an OC under Bobby. The other left the OC under Saban to become a HBC. Moving out, or moving up? There's a difference, and one is a sign of someone who can make success on their own while the other reflects a person who needs to have things made for them so they don't screw it up.
JMac does have the advantage of coaching as a HC prior to coming to UF - turning around a program and being successful at CSU. Jimbo has the advantage of a bubble of denial that protects poor character players, and in fact rewards them. Everyone is different with their own 'advantages' in a situation. The question is what does the person bring to the table - what are they facing, and what can they do in that situation? I doubt Jimbo could have turned around CSU, much less UF. I'll take JMac any day over Dumbo. We may not have the same results as you listed in the OP, but we'll be better off overall and will resume owning the state in short order. First year? Guys in very different situations, with very differing skill sets. Only a fool would ask if they could have the same results.
this asshat.
