- Oct 15, 2014
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SEC is Bama and not much else
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Let's look at this:
EAST
Florida - Jim McElwain - Previous Job: Head Coach Colorado State
UGA - Kirby Smart - Previous Job: DC Alabama (no head coaching experience)
Tenn - Butch Jones - Previous Job: Head Coach Cincinnati (previously head coach at Central Michigan)
Vandy - Derek Mason - Previous Job: DC Stanford
Kentucky - Mark Stoops - Previous Job: DC FSU
Missouri - Barry Odom - Previous Job: DC Missouri
South Carolina - Will Muschamp - Previous Job: DC Auburn (former UF head coach)
WEST
Alabama - Nick Saban - Previous Job: Head Coach Miami Dolphins
LSU - Ed Orgeron - Previous Job: DL LSU (previous head coach at Ole Miss)
Texas A&M - Kevin Sumlin - Previous Job: Head Coach Houston
Miss State - Dan Mullin - Previous Job: OC Florida
Ole Miss - Matt Luke - Previous Job: Co-OC/OL Ole Miss
Arkansas - Brett Bielema - Previous Job: Head Coach Wisconsin
Auburn - Gus Malzahn - Previous Job: Head Coach Arkansas State
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So, of all those coaches, is/was Brett Bielema the most qualified/best hire before he took the job (BEFORE he took the job)? Or Sumlin? Both were head coaches, but Bielema was a successful coach in a P5 conference.
Lot's of DC's in there too.
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- Jun 12, 2014
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Going down on Bama?
- Sep 8, 2014
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Thanks...I just looked at it and I left off the spectacular hire of Will Muschamp at SC (and Gus at Auburn).
- Jun 12, 2014
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It's Brett Bielema or Butch Jones as the most qualified, and that says something about the league. Is Saban the only coach with multiple P5 jobs before his current position. fck think about that Saban had 2 P5 jobs, and an NFL job before Bama... the next best was coach at Wisconsin or coach at Cinncinatti (Big East was a P5).
- Sep 4, 2014
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Head scratchers now, and questionable even when they were hired if people were objective. For the first time that I can ever recall, ADs all but dismissed actual resumes and deservedness, and focused almost strictly on whether or not a candidate had at one time worked for Saban(and now Meyer).
Once passed Nick in the hallway? Support staff job. Rode the elevator with him? Even better.
You'd think that smart people would learn from the failed Patriot offshoots like Weis, Cromell and Mangino over a decade ago, but apparently not.
For that matter, Kiffin's association with Carroll is really what ultimately started the vols' demise.
And it's not like Stoops in '96-'98, where he made an immediate defensive impact on Spurrier's team and launched a career from there. Not to mention that it landed him a job at a program that while historical, was at a serious low. Much different than a program firing a guy who averaged 10 wins for a first time HC.
- Sep 8, 2014
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Agree on the Saban thing. I don't get it. The one I do get is Kirby. He spent A LOT of time there and actually learned "the system" vs. most Saban guys who are out within 2 to 4 years.
You can't really dismiss former assistants getting head coaching jobs; they have to start somewhere. And not all of them are failures.
But at big-time programs, such as ours, we shouldn't be hiring first time head coaches, period. At least McElwain had been a head coach....I know, it was in the MAC and at Colorado State, but many good/solid/successful coaches came from programs like that. Basically, it's hit or miss.
Look at Texas, they got Strong....who had been successful at Louisville and certainly paid his dues as an assistant under 3 national champion coaches....and he failed. So now, they hire a guy from Houston who was only a head coach for 2 years.
Look at FSU, as much as we all hate Fisher you cannot deny is success....and he was a first time head coach.
Look at Penn State, they hired a guy from Vanderbilt.
USC just hired one of their assistants who took over on an interim basis.
UGA had success w/ Richt, a first time head coach. Sure no national title, but they guy averaged almost 10 wins/year.
Ohio State had huge success w/ Tressel, who came from Youngstown State.
Dabo Swinney, an on-staff assistant who took over for the fired coach.
It goes on and on. As many of these successes, no matter how you measure "success", there as many failures (some would call Richt a failure, some would call it a success).
I just don't understand why we've settled 3 out of 4 hires over the last 16 years (since Spurrier left). I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it.
And one last thing; I'm sick and tired of the sunshine pumpers who put whoever the head coach is OVER the program. When it's sinking you f'ing get off! We saw the same pumpers (or same types) w/ Zook, Muschamp, and now McElwain.
