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Hmmmm, has to be a little satisfaction there for them. Ohio State politically gets into the playoffs and the team that wins their conference sits home and watches them get shut out.
 

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A few things about Penn State.

1. They lost 49-10 to Michigan. A 39 point loss should just be an automatic disqualifier for any team trying to make the playoffs.
2. They lost to an 8-4 Pitt team that would finish 8-5.
3. They stood by while their coach raped children for decades.
 

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**** those pedophilia supporting bastards. Hopefully USC pounds the **** out of them like Tater did to their Big Ten cohort.
 

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I had no problem with it since they had 2 losses. I do think the conference champ should almost always get the benefit of the doubt if the number of losses is the same unless the schedule is a complete joke.
 

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That same Pitt team that gave Clemson their only loss in the faux Death Valley.......
It seems that somebody was reminding us of these funny football facts yesterday I believe, why yes it was yesterday...
 

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Was watching that game last night with a ped state alum.. he was pretty annoyed that pOSU was in that game since they beat them and pOSU didn't win the conference.
 

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I don't like either one of them but one is a conference champ and one was arguably third place in their own conference
 

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A few things about Penn State.

1. They lost 49-10 to Michigan. A 39 point loss should just be an automatic disqualifier for any team trying to make the playoffs.
2. They lost to an 8-4 Pitt team that would finish 8-5.
3. They stood by while their coach raped children for decades.
1. So what
2. So what
3. No one there had anything to do with JoPa or Sandusky. Maybe they should just shut down the whole school and bulldoze all the buildings to the ground and give it back to the indians.

Penn State won the conference. That is all that matters. Any and all blather about who is the "better team" is just that...blather. There is no such thing a proving who is the better team. Any team can beat any other team on any given day. You can't even prove that the Patriots are better than your local high school team even though we know that they most certainly are better. The only thing that matters is the results of the games played within a system. The only system that matters is that when the math is done at the end of the season, one team in the conference champion and everyone else is not. Its no different than NFL playoffs or any other playoff format. There are teams with blemishes that make it to the dance and there are "better" teams who don't make it to the dance. It isn't wrong that it happens, it is exactly the way it should be. This beauty contest crap where dudes sit around and say "well they lost on the road to them but these guys lost at home to them blah blah blah" is nothing short of gymnastic judge style point bull****. Win the conference championship and advance to the playoffs. Simple system, easy to understand, makes the whole season meaningful and exciting.
 

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1. So what
2. So what
3. No one there had anything to do with JoPa or Sandusky. Maybe they should just shut down the whole school and bulldoze all the buildings to the ground and give it back to the indians.

Penn State won the conference. That is all that matters. Any and all blather about who is the "better team" is just that...blather. There is no such thing a proving who is the better team. Any team can beat any other team on any given day. You can't even prove that the Patriots are better than your local high school team even though we know that they most certainly are better. The only thing that matters is the results of the games played within a system. The only system that matters is that when the math is done at the end of the season, one team in the conference champion and everyone else is not. Its no different than NFL playoffs or any other playoff format. There are teams with blemishes that make it to the dance and there are "better" teams who don't make it to the dance. It isn't wrong that it happens, it is exactly the way it should be. This beauty contest crap where dudes sit around and say "well they lost on the road to them but these guys lost at home to them blah blah blah" is nothing short of gymnastic judge style point bull****. Win the conference championship and advance to the playoffs. Simple system, easy to understand, makes the whole season meaningful and exciting.
So what if a four win team had won the conference title game? You think they're one of the best four teams because they won one extra game? Penn State had their chance to prove they were one of the best four teams, and they got smoked by another top team and lost to another. If they wanted to be in the playoffs, maybe they should have beaten a middle of the pack ACC team or not gotten their sh*t pushed in by Michigan. One game at the end of the season shouldn't cancel out the body of work. The only reason a two loss team should ever be in the NC conversation is in a year like 2007 when there aren't enough teams with 1 or 0 losses.

Bulldozing those assh*les to the ground wouldn't be a bad idea, either, at least until they stop being apologists about covering up three decades of child rape.
 

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So what if a four win team had won the conference title game? You think they're one of the best four teams because they won one extra game? Penn State had their chance to prove they were one of the best four teams, and they got smoked by another top team and lost to another. If they wanted to be in the playoffs, maybe they should have beaten a middle of the pack ACC team or not gotten their sh*t pushed in by Michigan. One game at the end of the season shouldn't cancel out the body of work. The only reason a two loss team should ever be in the NC conversation is in a year like 2007 when there aren't enough teams with 1 or 0 losses.

Bulldozing those assh*les to the ground wouldn't be a bad idea, either, at least until they stop being apologists about covering up three decades of child rape.
Blather. You didn't digest a thing I said. You, like most sports fans, are under the delusion that the point here is to figure out who is the "best" team. Its not. The point is to create a system where a team can win enough games to advance through the system to the end and be declared the champion. That is not in any way shape or form a formula for determining a best team, it is a formula for declaring a champion. Look at the 2007 Giants, who were 10-6 during the regular season and came into the playoffs as a wild card. Can anybody really say they were a "better" team than the Patriots, who entered the Super Bowl with a record of 18-0? Nope nope and nope. But they were the champs because they won the game they had to win. Should a four loss college team make it to the playoff if they win their conference? Not if there are 4 other conference champions who are ranked higher, but CERTAINLY before any other team from their conference.

And get over the Sandusky thing. You're just the kind of finger wagger who will condemn a bunch of coaches and players for something they had absolutely nothing to do with just so you can act superior. You're not.
 

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Blather. You didn't digest a thing I said. You, like most sports fans, are under the delusion that the point here is to figure out who is the "best" team. Its not. The point is to create a system where a team can win enough games to advance through the system to the end and be declared the champion. That is not in any way shape or form a formula for determining a best team, it is a formula for declaring a champion. Look at the 2007 Giants, who were 10-6 during the regular season and came into the playoffs as a wild card. Can anybody really say they were a "better" team than the Patriots, who entered the Super Bowl with a record of 18-0? Nope nope and nope. But they were the champs because they won the game they had to win. Should a four loss college team make it to the playoff if they win their conference? Not if there are 4 other conference champions who are ranked higher, but CERTAINLY before any other team from their conference.

And get over the Sandusky thing. You're just the kind of finger wagger who will condemn a bunch of coaches and players for something they had absolutely nothing to do with just so you can act superior. You're not.
NFL and CFB have two completely different methods of determining playoffs, mainly because the scheduling is a hell of a lot more even in the NFL. 10 of the 16 games are outside of the division, meaning you get a hell of a lot better gauge as to who the best 6 teams are in each conference. Granted, some schedules are still harder than others, but nothing like the scheduling disparity in CFB. Not only that, all we hear about from the playoff committee is picking the "four best teams." Well, Penn State wasn't one of the four best teams.

OSU completely dominated Oklahoma on the road, and they beat Wisconsin on the road, as well as Michigan and Nebraska at home. Penn State beat OSU at home and Wisconsin on a neutral field..........and that's about it. Half the quality wins and twice the losses. Just because they beat OSU at home on a miracle play doesn't mean they had a better playoff resume.

Maybe I'll get over the Sandusky thing when they stop trying to sweep it under the rug by acting like it never happened. Two years of pretending to be sorry to get off probation doesn't erase 30+ years. Last time I checked, child rape and the active covering up of child rape is a pretty legit reason to wag my finger. It's not like they were slipping players $100 bills with their lunch. It was an institutional problem. A few guys at the top took the fall, but it was a complete and utter institutional failure. If you believe the rumors, TONS of people knew Sandusky was a creep, yet nobody ever came forward on it until they had him dead to rights. Don't even act for a second like there aren't still people employed there who knew and did nothing.
 

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It's just more reason it needs to move to more teams in the playoff, not just 4. The problem I have is that there isn't room for improvement for programs through the year. Penn State lost their 2nd and 4th games and then won the next 9 games. Now, you could say that is due to their weak conference but they were still conference champs. Look at the improvement Oklahoma had as well.
 

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It's just more reason it needs to move to more teams in the playoff, not just 4. The problem I have is that there isn't room for improvement for programs through the year. Penn State lost their 2nd and 4th games and then won the next 9 games. Now, you could say that is due to their weak conference but they were still conference champs. Look at the improvement Oklahoma had as well.
The more teams you add to the playoffs, the more watered down the season gets. Hell, Wisconsin would have made the playoffs with 3 losses this year if it had been 8 teams. You really want a 3-loss team with a chance to win it all? Why do you think the regular season is almost an afterthought in CBB?

And before anyone comes back here mentioning the NFL. Once again, more even scheduling and far fewer teams.
 

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The more teams you add to the playoffs, the more watered down the season gets. Hell, Wisconsin would have made the playoffs with 3 losses this year if it had been 8 teams. You really want a 3-loss team with a chance to win it all? Why do you think the regular season is almost an afterthought in CBB?

And before anyone comes back here mentioning the NFL. Once again, more even scheduling and far fewer teams.
I want conference champs and 2 at large. That would be 8 teams. I'd like to allow the undefeated WMU or when it was Boise State or Hawaii get in and perhaps a second team from a conferee who had an unbeleavable season. In my scenario, Wisky wouldn't have been in but OSU and Penn State would have.

And as for your NFL comparison, it's not that much different. You'd like to think that it's a more even schedule but just like this year, the AFC South is a joke yet they've got someone in. Can Houston win it all? Maybe, but that's why they play the games.
 

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And, conference champs would keep the regular season being relevant.
 

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