- Jun 11, 2014
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I have a huge problem with that...
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- Jun 9, 2014
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This whole "Wins the Games He is Supposed to" theory is such a pile of shyt. This year he will be underdog to 5 or 6 teams. He will be underdog because the people who know this stuff discount his coaching ability and his roster.
Would Spurrier or Creyer be "Supposed to Win" 6 or 7 games? Of course not.
Would Spurrier or Creyer be "Supposed to Win" 6 or 7 games? Of course not.
- Jun 10, 2014
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Yeah, beating Kentucky, South Carolina, Vandy, Missouri and Arkansas (whoops) should be givens at UF. The pumpers celebrate like we've accomplished something special beating the patsies of the league.
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Who is arguing that? I said as a coach, I have little problems with him. As a recruiter (which is just as much if not more important), he is beyond horrible. He doesn't get a pass for losing games because he failed to put together a talented team.
- Jun 19, 2014
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It was just mentioned but was a great point and deserves repeating. Who are the Gators? Really, who are we? No one can answer this question. We don't have any positive defining characteristics that can be used to describe us. Under this staff, this team has no identity.
- Aug 28, 2014
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From 247
" We do that using a proprietary algorithm that pulls the 247Sports Composite prospect rankings for each of the top 85 players on a given team's active roster."
The active roster might have a 5th year SR on it but it will must certainly have most if not all the freshman. In particular the blue chippers. I guess it explains why they don't tabulate it until fall. In the "The Heat is on" thread a tabulated the %'s of blue chippers:
2010 21/27 78%....... 69/93 74% (8-5)
2011* 11/19 58%...... 60/85 71% (7-6)
2012 13/22 59%....... 57/85 67% (11-2)
2013 16/29 55%....... 61/97 62% (4-8)
2014 13/24 54%....... 53/94 56% (7-5)
2015* 7/21 33%........ 49/96 51% (10-4)
2016 10/25 40%....... 46/99 46% (9-4)
2017 15/23 65% ...... 45/93 48%
The first % is that classes BC's and the 2nd is the four year accumulation. Bottom line from that is that the 2017 cumulative is only marginally better than 2016's. The good news is that % BC's is getting better each year and 2017 was the best since Meyer's 2010 class. However the 2015 transition class and woeful 2016 class really put us in a hole.
The 2nd part of 247's algorithm is:
"the top 40 percent of each roster based on their prospect ratings account for roughly 80 percent of the team's point total."
So the question is how much better or worse is the top 40% of 2013 compared to 2017..... and the answer is.... 2013's top looks better than 2017's.
I'll be real interested to see 247's tabulation in the fall.
- Sep 16, 2014
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This post deserves to be stickied. This is the most organic question along with gator studs post that has been posited in along time on here. Who Dafuq are we? Pumpers and negators alike need to ask themselves this when assessing this current regime.
- Jun 13, 2014
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I think you would be hard pressed to find a team that outperformed their talent ranking more than Colorado this past year - they beat 6 teams ranked higher talent wise and their 4 losses were to the teams ranked 2,8,24 and 39 while their ranking was only # 62.
Washington beat 2 teams ranked ahead of them and beat one ranked only one spot behind them while only losing to the top 2 ranked teams in the composite. That is pretty impressive also.
Washington beat 2 teams ranked ahead of them and beat one ranked only one spot behind them while only losing to the top 2 ranked teams in the composite. That is pretty impressive also.
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I'm just going to take this one step further. Forget %'s and just look at how many BC's are in each class.
2002* 9
2003 14
2004 12
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2005* 8 ....... 43
2006 21....... 55
2007 20....... 61
2008 16....... 65
2009 12....... 69
2010 21....... 69
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2011* 11...... 60
2012 13....... 57
2013 16....... 61
2014 13....... 53
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2015* 7........ 49
2016 10....... 46
2017 15 ...... 45
We are sitting at 45 BC's. Meyer won with 55 but that was Meyer. NC level is probably at least 60. The news is not good. It will take at least two more years to get to that level. The even worse news is that to beat Bama in the SECCG we need to be at that level.
I'll check back in 2019.
Edit: Just a note: 44 BC's puts you 2 deep at every position where as 66 puts you at 3 deep. It seems that 3 deep is what wins championships.
2002* 9
2003 14
2004 12
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2005* 8 ....... 43
2006 21....... 55
2007 20....... 61
2008 16....... 65
2009 12....... 69
2010 21....... 69
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2011* 11...... 60
2012 13....... 57
2013 16....... 61
2014 13....... 53
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2015* 7........ 49
2016 10....... 46
2017 15 ...... 45
We are sitting at 45 BC's. Meyer won with 55 but that was Meyer. NC level is probably at least 60. The news is not good. It will take at least two more years to get to that level. The even worse news is that to beat Bama in the SECCG we need to be at that level.
I'll check back in 2019.
Edit: Just a note: 44 BC's puts you 2 deep at every position where as 66 puts you at 3 deep. It seems that 3 deep is what wins championships.
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Yes, but didn't you know that our coaches are the best talent evaluator's in all of college football? So, if we sign a 2-star LB from Miami....that's like Meyer getting a 4-star from anywhere else. Also, our 3-star's are all 4-star athlete's (at a minimum). At least this is what I've heard from the "trust the coaches" crowd....
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I agree....but the thing is, they ARE 4-stars. Didn't you read what I wrote? For some reason, there's a large contingent that seems to think our 3-stars are actually 4-stars....because - apparently - McElwain and his staff have an "eye for talent" that other coaches don't have......
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Please turn on your sarcasm detector....
- Jun 13, 2014
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http://247sports.com/Team/Florida-170/Roster
Where are these blue chipper numbers coming from? According to this composite index we only had 24 composite blue chippers on our roster last season it appears while Bama had 61 composite blue chippers. Do we have a bunch of guys that were 3 stars in one service and 4 stars in another service?
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I do think they are probably the best one overall but I assume if a player is a 4 star Rivals recruit and only a 3 star composite they are usually a lower number on that Rivals 4 star scale. There were like 6 or 7 SEC teams with more blue chipper composites than us last season.
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Since it's a comparison you could use 247 also.
A few things.
1) I'm using rivals just because it's more convenient.
2) I'm comparing year to year so any recruiting service would do.
3) These are the numbers signed. Not the numbers on the roster each year. That would be a better measure but let's just assume similar attrition every year.
4) Obviously if you've signed 69 BC's in the last 4 years versus 45 then you are going to be in better shape.
The bottom line is that we ain't gonna have the talent for at least 2 years. The depth just isn't there.
- Jun 14, 2014
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From the sound of things & the resounding things = We are a "Coach-in-Waiting" team.
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