Truth Takes: Kentucky Review

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Well, I guess that feeling I referred to in the Kentucky preview Truth Takes was something. I have stayed away from most social media because I know UF fans are probably going all VolNation. Don't do that, we're better than that. I was impressed with how little meltdown there was on the call in show last night after the game.

I can sit here and write a piss and moan piece, and plenty of that would be justified, but I am going to try and keep it straightforward. Last night was in some ways as bad as many would believe and in some ways was not as bad. This is written with trying to give a not as negative take in mind. I'm not happy about the loss and I think plenty was inexcusable. But I figure it's a long season and I have plenty of time to tell Mullen off if things go downhill quickly from here.

Last night was a failure on so many levels. I think it can be broken down into these top 4 levels:
  1. Tackling
  2. Safeties
  3. O-line
  4. Play-calling
I do not think Franks played his best, and his post-game comment defending that decision making on the 2 point conversion was stupid. However, if you are putting him in the reasons we lost ahead of tackling, safeties (I am willing to bet at least 1/2 of people reading this are wondering why safeties are listed, just wait), the problem that is our o-line, and play-calling than let's have a discussion. In case I didn't make it clear, I don't think he had a good game, but I also don't think he shoulders the whole blame (which I have heard some do). I think he could fit into the 5 slot.

Tackling
I searched to see how many missed tackles we had (I didn't count on the re-watch) and I came across an intern's article that might be the most honest take a UF staffer has had in the media in a long time...I think his internship may end sooner than later. He estimates over 25 missed tackles, that would be a fair estimate in my view.

This is frustrating because most of the missed tackles are not about strength, but fundamentals and attitude. Stop trying to make arm tackles and wrap up. Have the mentality that you aren't letting go until the whistle blows. D-line wasn't great, but I saw them creating space for LB's to get to the RB or QB at the line of scrimmage or in the backfield just for a failure to tackle.

You allow 303 rushing yards by failing to tackle. In my preview, I thought Cece and Reese would have been back. Obviously, that was wrong. Cece's impact may have been minimal, but Reese would have been a step up. Although oddly enough, missed tackles, though accounting for tons of yards, didn't account for any of Kentucky's touchdowns. Those were longer plays, which brings me to my second problem.

Safeties
In my season preview series, I said one of the biggest question mark positions is safety. This game showed why. The safeties played a significant role in the 3 UK TD's that mattered. First Brad Stewart loses track of his assignment on the first TD. Then Taylor over shoots the hole on the TD run (excellently drawn up play by UK), then dives taking out the chance for most the team to catch up. Then Taylor plays slow on a 3rd and long allowing for a long TD pass that shouldn't have happened. Now, I'm not saying that Kentucky couldn't have continued to drive if these plays didn't work (well, at least on the first two, they weren't going for 4th and 15 on the last one). And that leaves UK with 14 points if the other drives would have continued to the endzone...just saying. Also, the first TD would have left them with 3rd and 16.

O-Line
I thought these guys could be brought to being more serviceable. Not a great line, but able to do enough. Until shown otherwise, I was wrong. I do not think that many people could be even a good QB behind this line. On the re-watch I was amazed how much Franks had to run. When running from pressure you downfield vision changes. Also, we couldn't run real well, which put more pressure on a passing game that was supposed to be a compliment to a great backfield. There were some good runs by backs, but not enough and part of that is this line. Here is the saddest part, besides Nick Buchanan, each of the line players have starts over a 3-4 year period. At the end of the season, this entire line is gone. Heggie needs to play more. Sure he's missed time with injury, but he did show some promise last year before injury. If this position groups plays even halfway decent, no other problem prevents us from winning in my opinion.

Play-calling
You know where Franks and crew did well and were moving the ball? The quick hitches, slants, and drags. The getting the receiver the ball with a chance to make a man miss and get yac. You know where we weren't successful? Running between the tackles and long balls. So, what did we do on an important 3rd quarter drive? Throw a long pass along the sideline 3 straight times. Although, a caveat is a good back shoulder throw where RJ Raymond again demonstrated he's a walk on with a leftover scholarship by dropping a pass.

My biggest play-calling problem? And one that impacted the game more than any in my mind? When Franks had the 1st down at the one moved back. We had 2 and 1 or 2 at the 3. Why not run? Instead, we go play-action and lose yards. Granted, on 3rd down we had a first down play...where Jordan Scarlett channeled last year's UT game and, just like Kelly, dropped the ball at the one in front of the north end zone.

Also, where are the jet sweeps and the like with our speedy guys. Get them into space. I saw plenty of receivers, when they caught it or had a good throw, get 5+ yac yards.

Franks
Watch how much time Franks had in this game. Sometimes he was fine, sometimes he made stupid decisions. One bad decision is forcing a throw to Toney on the sideline that should have been picked. Swain was 5-10 yards inside of Toney and wide open. Obviously, the two-point conversion was bad. He also lead a 99-yard TD drive. Throwing in everything you want about soft coverage, which is valid, but he still made the throws. The urgency on his part, however, was poor. He also had drops from Scarlett, Lewis, Raymond and an alligator arm attempt by Cleveland on a 3rd down that didn't help. I predicted around 225 yards, he threw for 232. We knew going into the season we didn't want the team to lean on Franks. That is what we seemed to do from the 2nd quarter on. Doesn't help him or the team. I think we should keep the catch and run throws and not so many go routes (deep corner/posts are fine as a cut can lose a DB). He looks like the work in progress we know him to be. I don't think we should give him more than 25 throws a game, he had 38. It's not all on him, but he shoulders a part of the blame. I do believe that if he hits Davis in the 2-point conversion, there's less discussion about him today. Your only as good as your last throw, and there he made a horrendous decision and then said something awful about it.


Quick Hits:
  • That offsides by Chauncey was a killer (If I remember right that was on Kentucky's last drive). Seriously, when was the last time you saw a DB called for offsides?
  • People leaving halfway through the 3rd quarter? I know it wasn't going well, but we've won from worse spots with MUCH less time in the last 3 years alone.
  • That FG call...game changer for momentum, scoring etc. Very curious to see what discussion takes place with field goals going forward. I am convinced the ref didn't watch the kick until the end before signaling. Unfortunately, we do not have the wide shot (or I didn't see it) that shows the whole goalpost area as we have seen in football for years.
  • Bright side, there is not another QB remaining on our schedule with the speed and athleticism we saw from UK's. Dude was running away from DB's. Fitz has power and some speed, but not that speed and shiftyness. Fromm can run, but see speed and shiftyness.

Here's something to think about. I know that losing to Kentucky for the first time in my lifetime sucks. This loss could totally be a harbinger of things to come. However, this could possibly (and we will see) turn out like the South Carolina loss in '05, our first loss to Carolina in the SEC, where many point to it as a change in Urban Meyer's program. We will see the beginning of an answer this Saturday. I'm not trying to pump, but I figure there is probably enough negativity going around that I've chosen to give a different perspective.
 

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I don't know how you could watch that game and not realize the safeties were hot garbage.

When we heard names like Taylor and Stiner we knew what it was going to be though.
 
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Linebackers were disastrous as well.

Safety weren’t disastrous in pass coverage only - they were also abysmal in run support.
 

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It was a complete sh!tshow on pretty much every level and facet. Enraging, but this decade has had many such moments and damn am I tired of expecting it.
 

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Great post. I enjoy reading your takes.

I am going to pick on one thing you said...comparing this loss to the Carolina loss in '05. They are no where near similar. I'll you why...that staff had Meyer, Strong, Mattison, Holliday, Heater, Daz and our very own Dan Mullen. Do you think this staff is anywhere close to that one? I don't. So while I appreciate the optimism...you're basically asking for a miracle.

Thank you for your awesome contributions to the board.
 

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Great post. I enjoy reading your takes.

I am going to pick on one thing you said...comparing this loss to the Carolina loss in '05. They are no where near similar. I'll you why...that staff had Meyer, Strong, Mattison, Holliday, Heater, Daz and our very own Dan Mullen. Do you think this staff is anywhere close to that one? I don't. So while I appreciate the optimism...you're basically asking for a miracle.

Thank you for your awesome contributions to the board.

That change also occurred with:
  1. Offseason
  2. Recruiting (pulling in Spikes, Tebow, Percy, etc. I don't know if we can do this either)
I do think we have some pieces that could. Immediately? Who knows. I thought about mentioning Troy beating LSU and then their run to end last season, but decided to wait. I'm not saying something will happen, just that it could. I think there is plenty of talent on the offensive side of this team, if our o-line can do anything to help it. The safeties are an issue and losing Wilson is huge as well.
 

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I came in here expecting to hear more pumpin sunshine about winning 10 games. Once again, ive been let down.
 

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I came in here expecting to hear more pumpin sunshine about winning 10 games. Once again, ive been let down.

Possibility is still there, just less likely. I've said that the o-line has let me down more than I thought they would. As I said, if these guys do their job, even decently, we win that game. Instead, they sucked it up, which meant we decided to really on a passing game none of us thought should be the focal part of the offense.
 

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Good write up. Frustrating, disappointing game. Wish I shared the optimism about changes this season making an impact but I don’t know what changes fix the OL. They just suck. I think Cece and Reese improve the front 7 though.
 

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Possibility is still there, just less likely. I've said that the o-line has let me down more than I thought they would. As I said, if these guys do their job, even decently, we win that game. Instead, they sucked it up, which meant we decided to really on a passing game none of us thought should be the focal part of the offense.
the possibility we have for winning 10 games exists solely in mathematical stats... as there are at least that many chances left. There is NO reality where we win 10 games. None. Just be honest for god's sake.
 

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You know why no hate on the call? We've become used to this ****.
 

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That change also occurred with:
  1. Offseason
  2. Recruiting (pulling in Spikes, Tebow, Percy, etc. I don't know if we can do this either)
I do think we have some pieces that could. Immediately? Who knows. I thought about mentioning Troy beating LSU and then their run to end last season, but decided to wait. I'm not saying something will happen, just that it could. I think there is plenty of talent on the offensive side of this team, if our o-line can do anything to help it. The safeties are an issue and losing Wilson is huge as well.

Anything is possible I guess.
 

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I didn't see D-line on the list of problems. The D-line was the worst of all. Demolished, annihilated prior to KY actually running the play. Nobody in the hole, no edge control, no LB gap control, no fking nothing. Not one damn one of them ever got off a block they looked like pussies that KY was locking up and pushing out of the way of the ball carrier, with no Gator push-back. Did we ever blitz? If we did it was harmlessly picked up and the QB still had time for lunch, I have never seen such incompetence from both Gator lines. Drastically improve this sh@t LOS play on both sides and we have a change to still be a good team. Tolerate it and we may be last in the SEC, and if we achieve that let's make medals out of it and hang it around the coaches necks.
 

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Your assessment is on. My same thoughts on play calling, we kept running what we are bad at. FF presnaps reads got progressively worse as the game went on.
 

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Agree, mostly.

Play calling really had me scratching my head after the first quarter. I could not fathom any reason we went with all those throws by Franks. It's like we panicked and felt we had to throw long to ball? It hadn't been used/proven to be effective, and should have been tested on/off leading up to that point to build confidence in making the call. Panic...that was what the play calling felt like.

OL...yes, I don't put FULL blame on Franks, as the OL didn't help him (or the RBs) much at all. Abysmal. I don't know we have any talent on the OL to salvage this season, or if we will have anything functional by next year. They all need to be gone. Coming back to play calls...if we had plays early to work around this weekness, why did we abandon those calls....nothing else was going to work where you actually needed to rely on the OL. I suppose, we should note, aside from the last play of the game Franks was able to get those balls out....so there is some hope for Franks+OL on these calls.

Tackling wasn't the worst I've seen from UF. That isn't saying this game was acceptable, only that I've seen us do worse in recent years. And as noted, it is something correcatable with coaches (who have had 8 months to address it so far?).
 

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Did anyone notice Central Michigan lost to Kansas over the weekend? Kansas routed CMU on the road, 31-7. Kansas had lost 46 straight road games and haven't won more than 3 games in a season in years. CMU had UK on the ropes early last week, and eventually lost 35-20. Kentucky is NOT a good football team. They'll probably be a typical 6-6, maybe 7-5 since they got the win vs. UF.
 

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OL...yes, I don't put FULL blame on Franks, as the OL didn't help him (or the RBs) much at all. ...

Tackling wasn't the worst I've seen from UF.
Dont worry, they still graded as champions and we are planning some extra hard practices this week.

That should fix it.
 

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Rayshad Jackson doesn't have good instincts for the game and had a couple of missed tackles himself.
 

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