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[Towels 'N Sporks]

Yes the vast majority of BLM supporters have no idea what they actually stand for - Sporks just demonstrated it perfectly. In that Marxist organization, I’m not sure if black lives is even in their top 10 of concerns.

Movements evolve, and it's a movement made up of millions of people so it's hard to sometimes say what it stands for and what it doesn't, because not everyone in the movement would agree on everything. I agree that I think it stands for something a little different than what you think it stands for, but not completely. I also agree it has some Marxist elements.

And by the way, I wouldn't consider myself part of the movement, as you state. Although, I'm sure I give that impression. I'm just not on the "they are evil and trying to destroy the country" train. Take care.

 

[Born2beagator]

The website looks professional because that organization has been given billions of dollars. Billions.

Yup. That's what im talking about and why i made the nazi comparison. BLM is doing what its doing through the appeasement of the left

 

[Born2beagator]

Movements evolve, and it's a movement made up of millions of people so it's hard to sometimes say what it stands for and what it doesn't, because not everyone in the movement would agree on everything. I agree that I think it stands for something a little different than what you think it stands for, but not completely. I also agree it has some Marxist elements.

And by the way, I wouldn't consider myself part of the movement, as you state. Although, I'm sure I give that impression. I'm just not on the "they are evil and trying to destroy the country" train. Take care.

The leaders have said word for word they are trained marxists and the website right now talks about destroying the nuclear family. Its evolved alright!

 

[soflagator]

Movements evolve, and it's a movement made up of millions of people so it's hard to sometimes say what it stands for and what it doesn't, because not everyone in the movement would agree on everything. I agree that I think it stands for something a little different than what you think it stands for, but not completely. I also agree it has some Marxist elements.

And by the way, I wouldn't consider myself part of the movement, as you state. Although, I'm sure I give that impression. I'm just not on the "they are evil and trying to destroy the country" train. Take care.

Here's my take on BLM. The move to being completely ok with welfare state, which was virtually encouraged or at a minimum deemed acceptable by a certain political element, was a mistake that their community is paying for to this day. The move to break down the family, which was encouraged or at a minimum deemed acceptable by a certain political element, was a mistake that their community is paying for to this day. The desensitizing and glorification of the gangster/drug/violence lifestyle, which was encouraged or at a minimum deemed acceptable by a certain political element, was a mistake that their community is paying for to this day. The push to be a "star" because money is the only accurate measure of what makes a person a "success" and by extension the loads of student loan debt(not unique to the black community, ftr), which was encouraged or at a minimum deemed acceptable by a certain political element, was a mistake that their community is paying for to this day.

If they'd like to further buck traditional, responsible living in favor of a political element that no one--including those on here that claim to lend it casual support--thinks is a good idea, then once again, that community will have to learn the extremely hard way. As I said yesterday, it's tough to watch and I hate it. But if they insist, then so be it. What I don't want to hear, though, is in 10-20 years when this latest experiment has further destroyed a great segment of our society that should be blossoming, is that somehow this is in any way, shape or form, my fault, or that I should feel guilt over these decisions. I have children that I deal with on a daily basis that at times think they know best. Occasionally, I'll allow them to "fall" so they can learn. And they do. I'm done trying to do the same with grown adults.

 

[Towels 'N Sporks]

The leaders have said word for word they are trained marxists and the website right now talks about destroying the nuclear family. Its evolved alright!

Ya I know the leaders of the BLM trademarked company or whatever you call it might have basically admitted they are marxist. That's not the same as attributing it to the BLM movement. Marxist elements to the movement, like I said.

I think the majority of people standing up for black lives matter are asking for more racial equality. Whether you agree that is fair to ask for or not is obviously an opinion. Regardless, I don't think that the average supporter of the movement is doing so to try to get welfare. I think the average supporter of the movement just wants racial equality, or equity, or whatever you want to call it. Maybe that just happens to be the viewpoint of the people who I have talked to who consider themselves part of the movement but I haven't heard any of them talk about destroying any idea of a family or talk about increasing welfare or anything else.


Anyway, I'm not a supporter like I said, I'm just not outraged by it.

 

[JDW]

Ya I know the leaders of the BLM trademarked company or whatever you call it might have basically admitted they are marxist. That's not the same as attributing it to the BLM movement. Marxist elements to the movement, like I said.

I think the majority of people standing up for black lives matter are asking for more racial equality. Whether you agree that is fair to ask for or not is obviously an opinion. Regardless, I don't think that the average supporter of the movement is doing so to try to get welfare. I think the average supporter of the movement just wants racial equality, or equity, or whatever you want to call it. Maybe that just happens to be the viewpoint of the people who I have talked to who consider themselves part of the movement but I haven't heard any of them talk about destroying any idea of a family or talk about increasing welfare or anything else.


Anyway, I'm not a supporter like I said, I'm just not outraged by it.

The problem is the core of marxists and anarchists that are pulling strings...I don’t think the “normal” people that are caught up in this are aware of what really going on and there’s a disconnect being from the message to where the goals are...if there’s something about what they’re doing you you don’t agree with you can’t just stand pat and agree with the rest of it or you in absentia are supporting it...the riots and looting are part of it and if anyone supports that they support domestic terrorism by proxy...it’s a pretty straightforward issue of silence is violence...after all...that’s what they were saying in the beginning

 

[Towels 'N Sporks]

The problem is the core of marxists and anarchists that are pulling strings...I don’t think the “normal” people that are caught up in this are aware of what really going on and there’s a disconnect being from the message to where the goals are...if there’s something about what they’re doing you you don’t agree with you can’t just stand pat and agree with the rest of it or you in absentia are supporting it...the riots and looting are part of it and if anyone supports that they support domestic terrorism by proxy...it’s a pretty straightforward issue of silence is violence...after all...that’s what they were saying in the beginning

Agree with some of what you say here, especially about the string pullers. I do have a former friend who said she was okay with the looting and whatnot. Her argument being basically that it was only fair. I thought it was ridiculous to support that sort of anarchy, so yeah now I call her a former friend because I can't really respect anybody who can rationalize that purposefully hurting other innocent people just for owning a business is somehow fair.


"if there’s something about what they’re doing you you don’t agree with you can’t just stand pat and agree with the rest of it or you in absentia are supporting it"

I don't totally agree with that statement, but it's all good.

 

[Born2beagator]

Ya I know the leaders of the BLM trademarked company or whatever you call it might have basically admitted they are marxist. That's not the same as attributing it to the BLM movement. Marxist elements to the movement, like I said. Im sure that

I think the majority of people standing up for black lives matter are asking for more racial equality. Whether you agree that is fair to ask for or not is obviously an opinion. Regardless, I don't think that the average supporter of the movement is doing so to try to get welfare. I think the average supporter of the movement just wants racial equality, or equity, or whatever you want to call it. Maybe that just happens to be the viewpoint of the people who I have talked to who consider themselves part of the movement but I haven't heard any of them talk about destroying any idea of a family or talk about increasing welfare or anything else.


Anyway, I'm not a supporter like I said, I'm just not outraged by it.

THEY LEAD THE MOVEMENT. What do you mean you can't attribute that to the movement? Thats like saying you cant attribute the nazi movement in ww2 to hitler. Or the soviet movement to Lenin. Those started as movements. Im sure that people back then thought much the same as you did. Hitler didnt lure people to his side initially by saying he was going to genocide the jews. But I bet if you really looked at what the nazis stood for in their rise you would see red flags. You ignore evil it gets worse

You snowflakes want to have it both ways. You dont want the ugly in your BLM. But its there. Completely ingrained in it.

No evil movement ever is up front about their evil at the start. Though blm has it plastered on their website

 

[oxrageous]

Some fabulous stuff from some smart people. Sofla had an awesome last post and Born just killed it.

 

[crosscreekcooter]

Ya I know the leaders of the BLM trademarked company or whatever you call it might have basically admitted they are marxist. That's not the same as attributing it to the BLM movement. Marxist elements to the movement, like I said.

I think the majority of people standing up for black lives matter are asking for more racial equality. Whether you agree that is fair to ask for or not is obviously an opinion. Regardless, I don't think that the average supporter of the movement is doing so to try to get welfare. I think the average supporter of the movement just wants racial equality, or equity, or whatever you want to call it. Maybe that just happens to be the viewpoint of the people who I have talked to who consider themselves part of the movement but I haven't heard any of them talk about destroying any idea of a family or talk about increasing welfare or anything else.


Anyway, I'm not a supporter like I said, I'm just not outraged by it.

Please explain what more racial equality means. Then explain your understanding of equity.

 

[Zambo]

Please explain what more racial equality means. Then explain your understanding of equity.

I was about the post the same question. I'll bet dollars to donuts we can't even agree on what "equality" means.

 

[Born2beagator]

I was about the post the same question. I'll bet dollars to donuts we can't even agree on what "equality" means.

Blacks being able to make as much money as they are willing to put in the effort for? Oh wait. They can

One was fricking president for 8 years. Any systemic racism came from him. Not trump

 

[soflagator]

Prime example of how disingenuous the whole talk of “conversation” is. The Steelers player who didn’t go along with honoring Antwon Rose, and instead wore the name of a fallen war vet, is criticized by Rose’s mom.

Just to recap, this is the kid that was involved in a drive by shooting, with one witness saying that he was actually the shooter. He fled police who’d pulled the over because of the drive by call-in, and had not only guns in the car but an empty magazine in his pocket. And rather than laying low after the other passenger pleaded guilty, this broad has the nerve to take shots at someone else who happens to not think her son deserved to be honored.

“The Pittsburgh Steelers took a team vote. Obviously, one person didn’t like the results, so they chose to do something different,” Kenney wrote. “I have nothing against vets and absolutely appreciate everything that they have done and continue to do for us,” Kenney wrote. “But this one person showed us exactly who he is and obviously he didn’t approve of how the vote turned out.”

Antwon Rose Jr.’s mother criticizes Steelers tackle Alejandro Villanueva for name change on helmet | TribLIVE.com

The NFL was wearing the name of a person who, if not killed, would be in jail for his role in a drive by shooting. So you’ll have to forgive those of us that see this entire movement as nothing more than a joke and smokescreen.

The only conversation that needs to be had is how bad of a parent do you have to be that your 17 year old child is out doing drive by’s? And apparently he was a smart kid in AP classes. He could’ve had a bright future. But he was failed. Not by his skin color. Not by the system. Not by the police. Not by this country. He was failed by his parent(s) and the prevailing attitude of too many in his community.

 

[oxrageous]

The "conversation" is accept our point of view or we'll decry you as a racist. Period.

 

[SGG]

Maurkice Pouncey says Fuch Antwan Rose

 

[Towels 'N Sporks]

Please explain what more racial equality means. Then explain your understanding of equity.

Explain because you don't think I know what it means or because you want to talk about whether they should be something BLM is even asking for? If it's the latter I'm not gonna get into it. I just wanted to get some perspective as to why people were coming to the conclusion that they were coming to and sofla and zambo both did a fantastic and respectful job of explaining how they arrived to their viewpoint.

Hope that doesn't offend you. I'm not that passionate about the issue, I was just seeking for some understanding and I've got it now. Take care!

 

[soflagator]

Maurkice Pouncey says Fuch Antwan Rose

Good for MP. Beyond generally not wanting to see politics in sports, my biggest issue is this notion that everyone must be a robot and agree wholeheartedly with something that isn’t even a 50-50 question. It’s funny that the word dictator is being thrown around suddenly. Yetif you Google the guy who chose not to honor this drive-by shooter, there are dozens of articles with everything from criticism to quotes from teammates about it. I don’t care what anyone’s political views are. But no one should feel forced to join along if they disagree with something. And they shouldn’t have to answer for that. After all, we wouldn’t want a dictatorship, would we?

 

[MJMGator]

Good for MP. Beyond generally not wanting to see politics in sports, my biggest issue is this notion that everyone must be a robot and agree wholeheartedly with something that isn’t even a 50-50 question. It’s funny that the word dictator is being thrown around suddenly. Yetif you Google the guy who chose not to honor this drive-by shooter, there are dozens of articles with everything from criticism to quotes from teammates about it. I don’t care what anyone’s political views are. But no one should feel forced to join along if they disagree with something. And they shouldn’t have to answer for that. After all, we wouldn’t want a dictatorship, would we?

It’s gotten ridiculous that if you don’t show support for felons you’re labeled a racist. I’m all for some measure of police reform, but definitely not at the expense of law and order. Certainly not supportive of the BLM organization.

 

[Towels 'N Sporks]

THEY LEAD THE MOVEMENT. What do you mean you can't attribute that to the movement? Thats like saying you cant attribute the nazi movement in ww2 to hitler. Or the soviet movement to Lenin. Those started as movements. Im sure that people back then thought much the same as you did. Hitler didnt lure people to his side initially by saying he was going to genocide the jews. But I bet if you really looked at what the nazis stood for in their rise you would see red flags. You ignore evil it gets worse

You snowflakes want to have it both ways. You dont want the ugly in your BLM. But its there. Completely ingrained in it.

No evil movement ever is up front about their evil at the start. Though blm has it plastered on their website

Hope that cute little diatribe with the personal attack gave you relief from your stress or achieved whatever goal you were seeking ;). I'm seeking productive conversation from people who know how to make reasonable points. Look to sofla and zambo if you need some pointers. Anyway, as I said in my previous post. I was seeking understanding, and there were plenty of reasonable people who did that, so I'm done talking about it. Take care.

 

[crosscreekcooter]

Explain because you don't think I know what it means or because you want to talk about whether they should be something BLM is even asking for? If it's the latter I'm not gonna get into it. I just wanted to get some perspective as to why people were coming to the conclusion that they were coming to and sofla and zambo both did a fantastic and respectful job of explaining how they arrived to their viewpoint.

Hope that doesn't offend you. I'm not that passionate about the issue, I was just seeking for some understanding and I've got it now. Take care!

Gee let's channel our "conversation" into that safe space where you like the questions presented regarding something you post. For the record what you know and the positions you hold are really not very important.
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