UF Fall Camp: camp over...Game 1 up next

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Swamp Donkey

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Don’t see another spot we’re not as good or better, even if only much deeper, than the past few years.
Exactly, more Butterin'.

We are actually probably slightly more talented at safety, but, unbelievably given the standard of Randy Shannon ball is so low, much worse coached, so the result will be another Dwag defense.
 

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Dude, you are a really interesting poster on this board and I like some of your takes here. You do make some good points some times. But you have been so terribly wrong about some stuff that I feel like you should be questioning your own line of thinking. J is right. There's no more positive than negative right now. It's close. There's no way to call some of that stuff until the season starts. Maybe the defense ends up being better just by subtraction of some morons. Big drop off with backs is a dumb take. Why because we lost Perine? Lol

Dude. You had it...you freaking nailed it...until the whole Perine comment. Dude, your post...it is the essence of a Dan Mullen season and what its like to be a Florida Gator right now. Thanks for making it worse.
 

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You guys worry too much. I heard that Mullen has adopted the same offense that Ga. Southern ran when they beat us in the Swamp because he is pretty sure nobody in the SEC knows what a midline is. We gonna be fine.
 

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This is the worst preseason experience I've ever had in my life.
 

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I’ll answer this way. Which position is notably worse? The only ones I see this year:

WR—and that’s largely because we lost Grimes(transfer he landed) and Toney. I’m open to opinions on KT, but either this staff helped develop him or McElwain was a magical recruiter. I don’t care which you choose, just choose one. I say give a little credit.

QB—see the other KT above. Can’t have it both ways.

TE—lost maybe our best ever. A step back was inevitable.

Don’t see another spot we’re not as good or better, even if only much deeper, than the past few years.

So we're worse at QB, TE, and WR...our OL is sad...The right side deplorable.

And Grantham still runs the D
:shambles:

Yeah...that' something to be optimistic about.​
 

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I haven't spewed my ignorant-assed opinion of our current situation for a while, so here goes. First, I want to thank several prominent posters here for their informational input. There are also others who are very astute in their basic understanding of the game, due to having played or coached at some level. Much of how I have come to view the Mullen regime is informed and influenced by others in this venue.

There is an ebb and flow in any Human endeavor and it usually takes some time to separate the schytt from the shinola - especially when it comes to figuring out WTF is going on in this program. I have however drawn several pretty firm conclusions based on what I've read, watched and learned over the last three seasons.

Pro
Mullen is really quite good at handling offensive skill players in a manner that utilizes their specific abilities to good advantage. Leading the nation in passing last season is a feather in his cap, if for no other reason than it shows what he can do with the players he has on hand.
Con
Despite his apparent ability to run a successful mainstream passing offense, DM seems to be married for life to the RPO and nothing is going to change that - ever. I personally agree with the theory that DM's base offense is a definite factor in limiting the recruiting numbers at RB, and to a lesser extent at WR. I also hate the underlying predictability and inflexibility of the entire RPO concept. Don't like it - never will.
Pro
S/C is vastly improved and the new facilities will only enhance conditioning.
Con
We're coming to the facilities war at a time that can be summed up as probably too little - and absolutely too late.
Con
Recruiting is NOT at a championship level and there is no reason to believe that anything is going to change. A combination of O-scheme, indifferent at best recruiting skills/effort, plus a growing sense of uncertainty about the program is pretty much killing our chances for ever standing toe to toe with the elite teams we will be facing on a regular basis with SEC expansion.
Con
The defense will continue to give up huge chunks of yardage at the worst possible moment, as long as TG is the DC. Even if there is significant improvement over last season, when the chips are down, Grantham will fail and we will lose games that should have been won.
Con
DM had a golden opportunity to grow a pair and clean house after the train wreck in Dallas. He blew what might have been his last chance to set things straight when he refused to act boldly.
Con
DM came in doing the chomp and talking endlessly about the Gator Standard. Last year the "Gator Standard" fell flat of its face due to a host of failures and embarrassing incidents that lead directly back to DM personally. He failed miserably at capitalizing on the UGA win, leading to the utter collapse of the season and a winter of severe discontent for much of the fanbase.

Conclusion
It ain't over 'til it's over. But IMHO, unless there is a substantial sea-change, pretty much across the board, the long-term outlook is not rosy. If the wheels come off when Bama comes to town, the noise in the system will become deafening. A bad loss to UGA or LSU won't be greeted with open arms either. When it comes to seizing control of his own destiny, DM is approaching the point of no return. Another flabbergasting fall from grace, coming on the heels of last year's fiasco, might well be the beginning of the end. Stay tuned.
 

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I haven't spewed my ignorant-assed opinion of our current situation for a while, so here goes. First, I want to thank several prominent posters here for their informational input. There are also others who are very astute in their basic understanding of the game, due to having played or coached at some level. Much of how I have come to view the Mullen regime is informed and influenced by others in this venue.

There is an ebb and flow in any Human endeavor and it usually takes some time to separate the schytt from the shinola - especially when it comes to figuring out WTF is going on in this program. I have however drawn several pretty firm conclusions based on what I've read, watched and learned over the last three seasons.

Pro
Mullen is really quite good at handling offensive skill players in a manner that utilizes their specific abilities to good advantage. Leading the nation in passing last season is a feather in his cap, if for no other reason than it shows what he can do with the players he has on hand.
Con
Despite his apparent ability to run a successful mainstream passing offense, DM seems to be married for life to the RPO and nothing is going to change that - ever. I personally agree with the theory that DM's base offense is a definite factor in limiting the recruiting numbers at RB, and to a lesser extent at WR. I also hate the underlying predictability and inflexibility of the entire RPO concept. Don't like it - never will.
Pro
S/C is vastly improved and the new facilities will only enhance conditioning.
Con
We're coming to the facilities war at a time that can be summed up as probably too little - and absolutely too late.
Con
Recruiting is NOT at a championship level and there is no reason to believe that anything is going to change. A combination of O-scheme, indifferent at best recruiting skills/effort, plus a growing sense of uncertainty about the program is pretty much killing our chances for ever standing toe to toe with the elite teams we will be facing on a regular basis with SEC expansion.
Con
The defense will continue to give up huge chunks of yardage at the worst possible moment, as long as TG is the DC. Even if there is significant improvement over last season, when the chips are down, Grantham will fail and we will lose games that should have been won.
Con
DM had a golden opportunity to grow a pair and clean house after the train wreck in Dallas. He blew what might have been his last chance to set things straight when he refused to act boldly.
Con
DM came in doing the chomp and talking endlessly about the Gator Standard. Last year the "Gator Standard" fell flat of its face due to a host of failures and embarrassing incidents that lead directly back to DM personally. He failed miserably at capitalizing on the UGA win, leading to the utter collapse of the season and a winter of severe discontent for much of the fanbase.

Conclusion
It ain't over 'til it's over. But IMHO, unless there is a substantial sea-change, pretty much across the board, the long-term outlook is not rosy. If the wheels come off when Bama comes to town, the noise in the system will become deafening. A bad loss to UGA or LSU won't be greeted with open arms either. When it comes to seizing control of his own destiny, DM is approaching the point of no return. Another flabbergasting fall from grace, coming on the heels of last year's fiasco, might well be the beginning of the end. Stay tuned.

I pray you are right...and sooner than later.

I'll add FUCHS does not give a FUCHS and before you say that's not Athletics...It starts at the top...I can't see a buyout coming any time sòon.


But good news, graduates will get great jobs...can you say Vandy?
 

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Perine hasn't been around for 2 years.

I could be wrong, but based on his early statement of perhaps not being brand new to Law’s nonsensical takes, I think his point was that last year was supposed to be the drop off year. Not sure though. And there’s always the possibility of hard drug use and/or a coma. I don’t think those things can be ruled out.

So we're worse at QB, TE, and WR...our OL is sad...The right side deplorable.

And Grantham still runs the D
:shambles:

Yeah...that' something to be optimistic about.​

But we’re worse because of what we just had, which has to be credited to the staff. None of the big three from last year would’ve ever been labeled as “irreplaceable” a few years ago. So when we say worse, what we’re really saying is a step back, which is almost always the case after talent like that leaves. We have different opinions on the state of affairs, which is fine. But I think we’ll be good at QB, fine at TE and OL, and considerably better on D.

That’s my take and I’m perfectly fine with differing opinions.
 

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I pray you are right...and sooner than later.

I'll add FUCHS does not give a FUCHS and before you say that's not Athletics...It starts at the top...I can't see a buyout coming any time sòon.


But good news, graduates will get great jobs...can you say Vandy?

To clarify just a bit. I don't necessarily believe that DM will likely be fired after a second consecutive schyttfest of a season. I do believe, however, that he could become a de facto zombie, shambling along, stinking up the place for some time to come - until someone finally decides to take the trash out. You are of course totally correct about Fuchs and his apparent apathy toward the idea of competing with the elite of CFB. Sadly, it might require some high-level retirements/firings to cure the disease of mediocrity that has seized the program in a death grip.
 

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But we’re worse because of what we just had, which has to be credited to the staff. None of the big three from last year would’ve ever been labeled as “irreplaceable” a few years ago. So when we say worse, what we’re really saying is a step back, which is almost always the case after talent like that leaves. We have different opinions on the state of affairs, which is fine. But I think we’ll be good at QB, fine at TE and OL, and considerably better on D.

That’s my take and I’m perfectly fine with differing opinions.[/QUOTE]

Had this staff actually accomplished something with those big three, I'd agree with you. Instead, they went 8-4. A step back from 8-4 is unacceptable at UF.
 

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But we’re worse because of what we just had, which has to be credited to the staff. None of the big three from last year would’ve ever been labeled as “irreplaceable” a few years ago. So when we say worse, what we’re really saying is a step back, which is almost always the case after talent like that leaves. We have different opinions on the state of affairs, which is fine. But I think we’ll be good at QB, fine at TE and OL, and considerably better on D.

That’s my take and I’m perfectly fine with differing opinions.

Had this staff actually accomplished something with those big three, I'd agree with you. Instead, they went 8-4. A step back from 8-4 is unacceptable at UF.[/QUOTE]

Let me be clear, if we are 8-4 this year, or worse, Mullen deserves to go into ‘22 on a scorching seat. Just because we won’t be as good in certain areas does not mean I don’t think we’ll be a good team. I’ve said before, with a normal schedule of 2-3 cupcakes, anything shy of 10-2 is a failure at UF. Even with Alabama on the regular season schedule this year, that is a standard.
 

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Maybe Mullen has esophageal spasms or imaginary threats ... I honestly think he's a better coach than the last two but I also think he's a worse CEO for the Program. His recruiting is terrible.

Bamma and leghumper.gif are going to embarrass us.
 

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I’m tired of hearing about 8-4. Two plays defined our season and kept us from the playoffs. As bad as our defense was, two plays hurt us. A fumble against A&M and a shoe toss. Undo those two plays and we go to the playoffs.

We are going to be better on offense and defense than we were last year.

Have a little faith.
 

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I’m tired of hearing about 8-4. Two plays defined our season and kept us from the playoffs. As bad as our defense was, two plays hurt us. A fumble against A&M and a shoe toss. Undo those two plays and we go to the playoffs.

We are going to be better on offense and defense than we were last year.

Have a little faith.
Well, we went 8-4. The fact that one play made a difference at the end of that LSU game is a complete indictment of Mullen. Sitting Pitts and playing back-ups throughout the game as if the game didn't matter was the real reason we choked that game away. Shoe toss or not. As for the A&M game, we didn't lose that game because Dan inexplicably decided to play a back-up RB with ball control issues on the final drive. We lost that game because our D got abused all day long, including after the Davis fumble that was at midfield by the way.
 

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I haven't spewed my ignorant-assed opinion of our current situation for a while, so here goes. First, I want to thank several prominent posters here for their informational input. There are also others who are very astute in their basic understanding of the game, due to having played or coached at some level. Much of how I have come to view the Mullen regime is informed and influenced by others in this venue.

There is an ebb and flow in any Human endeavor and it usually takes some time to separate the schytt from the shinola - especially when it comes to figuring out WTF is going on in this program. I have however drawn several pretty firm conclusions based on what I've read, watched and learned over the last three seasons.

Pro
Mullen is really quite good at handling offensive skill players in a manner that utilizes their specific abilities to good advantage. Leading the nation in passing last season is a feather in his cap, if for no other reason than it shows what he can do with the players he has on hand.
Con
Despite his apparent ability to run a successful mainstream passing offense, DM seems to be married for life to the RPO and nothing is going to change that - ever. I personally agree with the theory that DM's base offense is a definite factor in limiting the recruiting numbers at RB, and to a lesser extent at WR. I also hate the underlying predictability and inflexibility of the entire RPO concept. Don't like it - never will.
Pro
S/C is vastly improved and the new facilities will only enhance conditioning.
Con
We're coming to the facilities war at a time that can be summed up as probably too little - and absolutely too late.
Con
Recruiting is NOT at a championship level and there is no reason to believe that anything is going to change. A combination of O-scheme, indifferent at best recruiting skills/effort, plus a growing sense of uncertainty about the program is pretty much killing our chances for ever standing toe to toe with the elite teams we will be facing on a regular basis with SEC expansion.
Con
The defense will continue to give up huge chunks of yardage at the worst possible moment, as long as TG is the DC. Even if there is significant improvement over last season, when the chips are down, Grantham will fail and we will lose games that should have been won.
Con
DM had a golden opportunity to grow a pair and clean house after the train wreck in Dallas. He blew what might have been his last chance to set things straight when he refused to act boldly.
Con
DM came in doing the chomp and talking endlessly about the Gator Standard. Last year the "Gator Standard" fell flat of its face due to a host of failures and embarrassing incidents that lead directly back to DM personally. He failed miserably at capitalizing on the UGA win, leading to the utter collapse of the season and a winter of severe discontent for much of the fanbase.

Conclusion
It ain't over 'til it's over. But IMHO, unless there is a substantial sea-change, pretty much across the board, the long-term outlook is not rosy. If the wheels come off when Bama comes to town, the noise in the system will become deafening. A bad loss to UGA or LSU won't be greeted with open arms either. When it comes to seizing control of his own destiny, DM is approaching the point of no return. Another flabbergasting fall from grace, coming on the heels of last year's fiasco, might well be the beginning of the end. Stay tuned.

excellent post
 

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Well, we went 8-4. The fact that one play made a difference at the end of that LSU game is a complete indictment of Mullen. Sitting Pitts and playing back-ups throughout the game as if the game didn't matter was the real reason we choked that game away. Shoe toss or not. As for the A&M game, we didn't lose that game because Dan inexplicably decided to play a back-up RB with ball control issues on the final drive. We lost that game because our D got abused all day long, including after the Davis fumble that was at midfield by the way.

A lot of truth here as well. I still think it all centers on Lsu. The A&M game was vintage UF against the West. Feels like we’ve had one of those every year since the split. No real shame in losing to that Alabama team, but it’s frustrating that we had chances and blew it with poor clock management at the end of each half. And I’ll repeat that I don’t care about bowl games, especially now. Lsu was Zook, McElwain and Muschamp all rolled into one foggy disaster. Inexcusable and the primary reason Mullen has had the type of criticism he’s had this offseason.
 
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