GNFP Film Breakdown- 2021 Florida Gators vs. USF

[NavetG8r]

Same as last time. I haven't had a chance to watch them yet myself.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

Thanks.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

The many errors of Emory Jones.

 

[maheo30]

On his podcast he spent a long time explaining about why Christian Robinson is such a dreadful LB coach. He wants him gone in the worst way along with Grantham.

 

[rogdochar]

Without this film explaIning it, I couldn't have pinpointed Emory's "way too many steps" problem. That tapdance habit has to go.
Plus, EJ's slow-throw has to vanish. Some QB guru needs to train him more in stepping into his throw.
Pierce has to be leaned on a bit more. He will definitely drive us forward, while Malik can slither through for change of pace gains.

 

[LongTooth]

The defensive breakdown is beyond depressing.

Grantham is crap. His schemes are crap. The spacing is crap. LBs are positioned waaaayyyy too far inside to do anything about passes to the flat. We end up in stupid mismatches constantly.

A lot of this is not on mistakes made by players. This is the result of having a guy at DC who doesn’t know what in the hell he is doing.

Honestly don’t know how this dude keeps his emotions in check looking at this comedy. He does repeatedly say better teams will feast on Grantham’s sorry ineptitude. And they will….

 

[Gatormac2112]

I made the same thread 3 hours before you did.

Nice work

 

[maheo30]

I made the same thread 3 hours before you did.

Nice work

You joined Sept. 7, 2014. @NavetG8r joined June 11, 2014. Ox plays by Mullinz rules. So, seniority wins.

 

[Bushmaster]

Looking at this film for the first time, the commentator and I see a lot of the same things but he doesn't watch the OL as much as he needs to.

On one QB counter, the center gets pushed back by the NT which causes the pulling guard to have to loop around, which allows the LB to fill closer to the gap. He blames the lackluster play on the pulling guard and not the center and guard double teaming the NT and getting no push.

We run a read option concept which has two reads and three options. I ran this in HS when I coached. The problem is it looks like an inside zone or power while reading the back side DE. If he crashes the QB can keep it. Now, we also run a bubble screen concept on top of this. If the DB is lined up way off or is bailing, the QB has the option to throw the bubble. Not hard, but on the play I watched the QB would have to have eyes in the back of his head to see whether the bubble is open or not because it was run to the play side and not the back side. Makes it impossible to read the backside DE and the playside bubble at the same!!

On another inside zone play toward the end, we run left, show strong right, USF is lined to our right in a 3/3 look with an LB lined up outside on our RIGHT. We are running left, inside zone. The basic blocking scheme is the LT takes the playside DE. The LG goes straight to the #1 LB, the center and RG will double the nose and RG will move to the #2 LB, the RT goes straight to the #3 LB. This leaves the backside DE and the overhang LB unblocked, BOTH on the right side where we are running away from. The QB typically accounts for the backside DE.

Now, running the spread is a numbers game. We have 5 OL and 2 backs. That leaves 4 WRs. They have 7 in the box, so its 7 v 7 against our run game, which means they are cover 0, or man to man. Their 4 dbs against our 4 wrs.

When presented with this, you can't block everyone in the box. You don't enough blockers, so check to a pass play. We don't and run inside zone. It gets blown up, but not because of them. We block it fairly well, except the RT lets the DE go and proceeds to go to the BACKSIDE overhang LB, literally the last guy in the box that can make that play. If he goes to the #3 LB, EJ can occupy both the DE and the over hang LB by himself and then we have numbers in the run game and the pass game.

This **** is mind boggling. And before anyone thinks this is just good theory, when Mack Brown went back to UNC and I was still coaching, we went to CH and had some one on ones with his OC and DC. Phil Longo is an air raid guy and he looked at what we were doing, exchanged some terminology, and he confirmed what we were doing.

I have a copy of Spurrier's playbook from around 1994. Its not what made him special. Every HS and college runs the same ****, blocks it about the same way, its when you call it and the quality of players that make it special. Spurrier was a master at this. Meyer just had better talent. Mullenz calls a good game for the most part but lacks Meyer talent. But there isn't a run play or pass play that is unique to his playbook. That's all bull****.

 

[GatorJB]

It's apparent that EJ has a better grasp mentally on how the offense should work while AR, who is clearly more talented overall, has a better grasp of how the QB position should be played. What seems obvious to everyone else but Mullen is that AR can better compensate for his weaknesses while EJ cannot. AR's mistakes so far resulted in big plays. EJ's mistakes result in turnovers or punts.

What's most disturbing is how fundamentally unsound EJ is at the QB position. He's either received inferior coaching for the last 3 years or he is incapable of being coached. Perhaps it's a bit of both.

 

[neteng]

TLDW version:

EJ is staring down his target and waiting too long to throw. EJ looks good throwing on the run. AR is a baller.

On defense, Helm playing too soft, Moon out of position and Grantham scheme still sucks.

Getting away with it against FAU and USF, but aint gonna get away with it against Bama.

 

[rogdochar]

Did you read this in The Enquirer? Quit making stuff up or face a ban.

Ox just made that up.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

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We run a read option concept which has two reads and three options. I ran this in HS when I coached. The problem is it looks like an inside zone or power while reading the back side DE. If he crashes the QB can keep it. Now, we also run a bubble screen concept on top of this. If the DB is lined up way off or is bailing, the QB has the option to throw the bubble. Not hard, but on the play I watched the QB would have to have eyes in the back of his head to see whether the bubble is open or not because it was run to the play side and not the back side. Makes it impossible to read the backside DE and the playside bubble at the same!!
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Thanks.

I know not everyone likes this much depth, but this is great stuff. Why don't you do some breakdowns in a longer review of the games yourself like maybe truth does or something? It would be great since you understand some nuances of the reads.

Going to disagree with you a little bit about what Creyer runs vs Mullins. 2006 is the best example. Having a prototypical passing quarterback he switched the eye form and played you know power, iso, dive and all that. Mullen refused. Creyer also changed the playbook at OSU and ended up with more plays looking more like Clemson/Rich Rod to me. (Whose playbooks I like a lot.)

And I will say that most of the passing plays early on in the season last year were things I have never seen from Mullen.

Again thanks. I haven't had time to watch that video but I will focus on what you said.

As for the read option with the screen or fake screen, is much of this presnap reads in our system, often just box numbers? I'm pretty sure this was what Mullen was griping about when EJ ran the read option keeper at the goal line instead of switching to something else.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

What seems obvious to everyone else but Mullen is that AR can better compensate for his weaknesses while EJ cannot. .

Much a football X's and O's is easy in concept. coaches try to make the schemes and plays as easy as possible. obviously you are not dealing with rocket surgeons on the field.

The thing is sometimes their X just cannot stop your O. When you get that Percy, Tebow, Pitts or AR15, you should use that weapon a lot. Even with Percy, Dan was strangely hesitant to use the talent. Percy rarely even started and often got few touches, far less than other elite receivers.

 

[NavetG8r]

I made the same thread 3 hours before you did.

Nice work

I thought I scanned through the thread titles to make sure I wasn't duplicating. Guess I missed yours, sorry about that.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

It's apparent that EJ has a better grasp mentally on how the offense should work while AR, who is clearly more talented overall, has a better grasp of how the QB position should be played. What seems obvious to everyone else but Mullen is that AR can better compensate for his weaknesses while EJ cannot. AR's mistakes so far resulted in big plays. EJ's mistakes result in turnovers or punts.

What's most disturbing is how fundamentally unsound EJ is at the QB position. He's either received inferior coaching for the last 3 years or he is incapable of being coached. Perhaps it's a bit of both.

We must have watched different videos. AR made one mistake (allegedly) and turned it into a nice gain. I lost count of how many mistakes EJ made including the two interceptions.
Granted if you gave EJ a written test he might pass with flying colors but come put up or shut up time - the game is too fast for him.
AR is a natural, like Grossman.
EJ is the offspring of Treon Harris and Jeff Driskel.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

EJ is the offspring of Treon Harris and Jeff Driskel.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

TLDW version:

EJ is staring down his target and waiting too long to throw. EJ looks good throwing on the run. AR is a baller.

On defense, Helm playing too soft, Moon out of position and Grantham scheme still sucks.

Getting away with it against FAU and USF, but aint gonna get away with it against Bama.

I hope B52 doesn't see this.

 

[Bushmaster]

The back screen bubble can be run while running power, zone, qb power, etc. It is a continuous read but does start at the snap. If the db is off 8-10, that was automatic throw for us. Then when they bite on it, you fake the bubble throw, fake the wr block, and blow on down the field. Of course, you can always hand off if the DE stays or hand off if he crashes. Ilike the bubble because it puts a lot of pressure o the dbs and keeps the ss or olb from cheating into run support.

The other scheme I saw use run was slick and caused a EJ pick. The db starts bailing pe snap giving a cover 3 look, but the safety rolls under into the flat in a reverse cover 2. The wr sees the db bail, stops for the hitch, and safety runs underneath and picks ej.

Rolling coverage really screws up qb reads. I would roll coverage (cover 2 look roll to cover 3) to the boundary a lot against their best receiver, which basically is a zone coverage ad double teaming the best wr.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

EJ can't seem to throw to a spot. Like Franks he has to see the receiver open. It's very frustrating to see that again. That's a big hump for a QB to get over and he's been throwing like that since grade school. He's not going to get over that against bama.
He does throw better when scrambling because he doesn't have time to think.