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So, what do you think?
Kenny Pickett fake slide is now not legal
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So, what do you think?
- Jul 28, 2014
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This. Basically what they’re saying is we tinkered with things and it’s backfired, so we’re going to tinker with it further. And this time we got it.
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What did that QB's mind & body feel like to him as "they" pulled that off? Wait.? What about the QBs doing that fake pass arm motion that causes many onrushing linemen to pull up, gear down, or even throw body & arms uselessly in the air. Don't the rules influence them to "pull up"? Those throw-fakes even fool tacklers more egregiously. Football is a game to be played as a game = gamesmanship allowed.
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Good.
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Donovan mcnabb and a few other QBs during/after his time have pulled similar stunts in the nfl and they never addressed it, which annoys me to no end. That “gamesmanship” is a fancy way of saying “lack of integrity.”
In the pocket, I understand the extra steps taken to protect the “passer.” But if QBs cross the LOS, they should receive ZERO special treatment compared to any other “runner.”
In the pocket, I understand the extra steps taken to protect the “passer.” But if QBs cross the LOS, they should receive ZERO special treatment compared to any other “runner.”
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Look for some really bad calls down the road where the QB is not trying to slide, but a ref will think he is and blow the whistle.
Gotta admit, it was a pretty sweet move.
Gotta admit, it was a pretty sweet move.
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One of the great Alex Brown plays in ‘99 was where he absolutely blew up Martin on a play action play. He knew he was handing it off but hit him anyway because he’d faked it earlier. It was flagged but it really shouldn’t have been. You could argue that a defender doesn’t know who has the ball at that point. Either way, TM got de-cleated and it was fun.
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I think the distinction that you have to make here is that while he is an active runner, he is fair game. The QB slide is there for his protection since he has less gear/protection and is essentially him putting up the white flag. Defenders are trained to stop pursuit when they see that. Faking the slide to his advantage is using the rules to an unfair advantage. I agree that it should be illegal.
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Is not any runner afforded the protection of the slide rule? Any ball carrier may choose to "give himself up" or slide. However it is frowned upon when done by someone other than a QB. Caveat, an RB/receiver sliding when avoiding going out of bounds to keep the clock running.
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Can't say for sure, but I do know there's been an emphasis on protecting QBs more than others due to the "defenseless" position they are in while in the pocket and also the insane contract $$$ owners spend on them. Im referring to the nfl, but college has often followed the nfl on player safety related penalties.
Don't want to get hit? Throw it away. Really want that 1st down or td? You agree to be fair game like every other player. At least that's the way it should be.
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Thanks everyone. The rule allowing a QB to slide giving up his forward progress is certainly a good rule for debate which we proved here. Whether it is a good rule is similar to targeting. I don't like it when a tackler is approaching a ball carrier and the runner ducks his head which IMO is what creates the head to head contact. Another, infrequent rule is the helmetless player which we saw on the goal line vs FSU, all the above in the vein of player safety. The game evolves, not always for the better. Thanks again for all the great points raised in this thread.
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Because once you begin raising the white flag to say "please don't hit me," you're a weaselly little punk if you "change your mind."
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I get that side of it but also see where the runner might start to slide and then see another 5 yard opening and change up to try and get it. I also thought that Pierce scored a TD without his helmet.
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Sorry, too late. Once you made that decision, you're past the point of no return. Or do you want a defender who will err on the side of decapitating players because they are "damned if they do, damned if they don't?" I'm surprised that hasn't happened a lot more already. Don't give players a license to kill the integrity of the game.
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