As much as I hate Muschamp...

[Swamped Gator]

And it pains me to say this, but he was on to something last year in the Georgia game. Now I think Coach Mac is the real deal and he has us finally headed in the right direction, but for the last half of the season last year we were all upset that Muschamp wouldn't let Treon throw the ball. Muschamp knew the Georgia game might save his job and he went all out with a pretty unorthodox offensive game plan. I know that we don't have the o-line to do that, but does it bother anyone else that the last two games (the most important two of the season I might add) we ran our there with the same exact offense with the same awful QB that can't execute it?

I'm not mad at Coach Mac for sticking with Treon, I think Grady is probably worse. I'm mad that we kept the same game plan and same scheme for the last two games when it was clear it wasn't going to work with Treon at the helm. I love Coach Mac and I am confident he will have us competing for more championships in the near future, but I'm a little perplexed by what I saw on offense the last two games.

 

[NVGator]

LOL. Remember a few weeks ago when you were yelling at all of us that said Treon sucked dîck?

Good times.

 

[gardnerwebbgator]

Not scared of Dunce at all. The folk here that still suck his balls probably want him to succeed. **** him. Hope the Cock faithful are begging for the days of Brad Scott before Dunce's tenure is up.

 

[Swamped Gator]

LOL. Remember a few weeks ago when you were yelling at all of us that said Treon sucked dîck?

Good times.

No I don't remember that. I do however remember when I said the defense lost the LSU game, not Treon.

 

[Swamped Gator]

Not scared of Dunce at all. The folk here that still suck his balls probably want him to succeed. **** him. Hope the Cock faithful are begging for the days of Brad Scott before Dunce's tenure is up.

I'm not scared of him at all either. That has nothing to do with my OP. I'm pointing out that he actually changed the game plan to give us a chance to win with Treon. I love Coach Mac, but he didn't do that and a championship was on the line...

 

[NVGator]

No I don't remember that. I do however remember when I said the defense lost the LSU game, not Treon.

You deflected everyone's point about what Treon didn't do, you defended him your entire thread and basically said no one knew what they were talking about pointing at Treon. Oh, and you did also blame the defense. ;)

 

[Swamped Gator]

You deflected everyone's point about what Treon didn't do, you defended him your entire thread and basically said no one knew what they were talking about pointing at Treon. Oh, and you did also blame the defense. ;)

Whatever dude, you need to get your memory checked. I blamed the defense and told everyone to stop putting the blame squarely on Treon's shoulders. I never said he was without blame. The LSU game was lost because our defense played a horrendous second quarter. That is a fact and only a fool would argue that. Treon has been awful since that game and I've criticized him extensively. I never said he was good. I never said he was better than Grier. Just get over it and move on. If you'd like to comment on my OP that would be great since that's the purpose of this post.

 

[alcoholica]

Hey....do you guys remember when I defended Muschamp? Yeah I was a ****ing idiot for that

 

[FireFoley]

Dear Swamped,

I guess you did not read any of my many posts since the LSU game lambasting the offensive play calling. Yes Harris blows and everyone knew it, but ever since the LSU game, with the exception of the USCe game, the play calling was absolutely disgraceful. They did absolutely nothing to try and help Harris or an awful O-line. So yes many of us were disgusted by the lack of process. You must not have been reading. The results may not have been different, but at least it would have shown the few of us that watch games differently that the staff was actually seeing certain things. Instead it was the same BS!!!

 

[SGG]

Dear Swamped,

I guess you did not read any of my many posts since the LSU game lambasting the offensive play calling. Yes Harris blows and everyone knew it, but ever since the LSU game, with the exception of the USCe game, the play calling was absolutely disgraceful. They did absolutely nothing to try and help Harris or an awful O-line. So yes many of us were disgusted by the lack of process. You must not have been reading. The results may not have been different, but at least it would have shown the few of us that watch games differently that the staff was actually seeing certain things. Instead it was the same BS!!!

:wobble:

 

[Swamp Donkey]

The results may not have been different, but at least it would have shown the few of us that watch games differently that the staff was actually seeing certain things. Instead it was the same BS!!!

The staff that actually sees FAR more than you realized that you can't run behind:

Sharpe- doing his best and probably our best pass blocker, but he still fairly often just whiffs completely in pass blocking. He is well below average, bordeline horrible in run blocking. He SHOULD be a redshirt freshman, learning from upperclassmen and getting occasional playing time instead of a guy who has been on the field for the majority of the last two years. He is a top talent and will no doubt be NFL caliper eventually.

Martez- good year for a freshman but still a freshman. Our best run blocker but isn't close to be a tractor you can run behind yet. You can't run behind a line that has only one decent run blocker but when we tried, we usually tried behind Martez, at least before he got hurt. His footwork is pretty bad though. I'm not sure he ever moves to guard. We'll see in three weeks if he and Halter flop. Again, he is a top talent.

Trip Thurman- love this kid, but he needed surgery a year and a half ago and decided against it because he knew we needed him. Helluva Gator. I don't think he can lift his right arm above his shoulder and probably can't button his shirt. He hasn't been able to lift for a year. He is basically a one armed guy out there, yet he is still better than Cam Dillard, a colossal disappointment so far.

Tyler Jordan- basically the same as Martez. He's a true freshman and is going to lose most battles but he's still better than Riles. NFL talent some day but not today.

Halter- he gets beaten regularly by speed rushes. Truthfully he should be playing guard, but we just don't have any better options right now at tackle. Love this kid, he really saved us, but he is quite limited. (Fred Johnson showed some promise but has a long long way to go before being even Halter level against SEC competition.)

Realistically, running the ball would have taken much pressure off Treon and allowed us to hide his warts to some extent as we did with Driskel when we relied on running the ball and a kicker who had no trouble with 52 yarders. The truth is we needed an accurate passer not an athlete/spread guy behind this disaster of an OL.

We have heard a lot of stupidity, like "we should run play action" or "we should run the spread", things that would only exacerbate our weakness on the OL. I will be interested to see if we flop Halter and Martez (or do something else like insert Johnson, move Halter to RG, and move Tyler Jordan to center) and find some way to insert a fullback with hopes of developing some sort of running game.

Taylor doesn't suck- as many morons opined just a few weeks back when we actually TRIED to rely on the run--but we can't expect him to do much when he is getting one or two backers hitting him in the backfield on every play.

 

[T REX]

It is interesting. Reminds me a lot of Muschamp in the way he was defended religiously. Nothing was ever Muschamp's fault. Every excuse was made for his inadequacies. Mac seems bullet proof on here. Much like his predecessor for the longest time. Grier and Harris were actually embroiled in a QB controversy for weeks. Hard to believe. Mac was fooled on that ridiculous fake FG. And we can't score to save our lives right now and he's supposed to be this offensive god.

I'm happy for the year since we got to ATL. Ten wins is good. Our schedule wasn't very good though. Mac will end up 1-4 vs ranked teams. That's not what you're looking for even in year one. I'm sure I'll get called all kinds of names but it is just a matter of prospective. Would anyone think we would be winning with Muschamp's defense? Crazy.

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

It is interesting. Reminds me a lot of Muschamp in the way he was defended religiously. Nothing was ever Muschamp's fault. Every excuse was made for his inadequacies. Mac seems bullet proof on here. Much like his predecessor for the longest time. Grier and Harris were actually embroiled in a QB controversy for weeks. Hard to believe. Mac was fooled on that ridiculous fake FG. And we can't score to save our lives right now and he's supposed to be this offensive god.

I'm happy for the year since we got to ATL. Ten wins is good. Our schedule wasn't very good though. Mac will end up 1-4 vs ranked teams. That's not what you're looking for even in year one. I'm sure I'll get called all kinds of names but it is just a matter of prospective. Would anyone think we would be winning with Muschamp's defense? Crazy.

Trying to score with the offensive personnel we have is like trying to win the Indy 500 in a Yugo.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

It is interesting. Reminds me a lot of Muschamp in the way he was defended religiously. Nothing was ever Muschamp's fault. Every excuse was made for his inadequacies. Mac seems bullet proof on here. Much like his predecessor for the longest time. Grier and Harris were actually embroiled in a QB controversy for weeks. Hard to believe. Mac was fooled on that ridiculous fake FG. And we can't score to save our lives right now and he's supposed to be this offensive god.

I'm happy for the year since we got to ATL. Ten wins is good. Our schedule wasn't very good though. Mac will end up 1-4 vs ranked teams. That's not what you're looking for even in year one. I'm sure I'll get called all kinds of names but it is just a matter of prospective. Would anyone think we would be winning with Muschamp's defense? Crazy.

Might want to prospect in hopes of finding a better point of view.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

It is interesting. Reminds me a lot of Muschamp in the way he was defended religiously.

With all due respect, and I do mean all due respect, STFU.

God knows I will be all over him if he doesn't fix this. However, he inherited this shiiit sandwich and had just a couple of weeks before Signing Day last year to do anything at all. He did the best he could. At least he didn't pull a Daztard or Chimp and sign two OL for the fourth time in recent years. He zeroed in on Callaway and Scarlett and brought home the trophies. He knows what he is doing. Even the great recruiter Urban Leyer didn't turn it around in one year.

 

[GatorJ]

The staff that actually sees FAR more than you realized that you can't run behind:

Sharpe- doing his best and probably our best pass blocker, but he still fairly often just whiffs completely in pass blocking. He SHOULD be a redshirt freshman, learning from upperclassmen and getting occasional playing time instead of a guy who has been on the field for the majority of the last two years.

Martez- good year for a freshman but still a freshman. Our best run blocker but isn't close to be a tractor you can run behind yet. You can't run behind a line that has only one decent run blocker but when we tried, we usually tried behind Martez, at least before he got hurt. His footwork is pretty bad though. I'm not sure he ever moves to guard. We'll see in three weeks if he and Halter flop.

Trip Thurman- love this kid, but he needed surgery a year and a half ago and decided against it because he knew we needed him. Helluva Gator. He is basically a one armed guy out there, yet he is still better than Cam Dillard, a collossal disappointment so far.

Tyler Jordan- basically the same as Martez. He's a true freshman and is going to lose most battles but he's still better than Riles.

Halter- he gets beaten regularly by speed rushes. Truthfully he should be playing guard, but we just don't have any better options right now at tackle. Fred Johnson showed some promise but has a long long way to go.

Realistically, running the ball would have taken much pressure off Treon and allowed us to hide his warts to some extent as we did with Driskel when we relied on running the ball and a kicker who had no trouble with 52 yarders. The truth is we needed an accurate passer not an athlete/spread guy behind this disaster of an OL.

We have heard a lot of stupidity, like "we should run play action" or "we should run the spread", things that would only exacerbate our weakness on the OL. I will be interested to see if we flop Halter and Martez and find some way to insert a fullback with hopes of developing some sort of running game.

Taylor doesn't sucks but we can't expect him to do much when he is getting one or two backers hitting him in the backfield on every play.

One thing that I wanted to see them do was do more quick passes, quick outs, and screens. Particularly implement hot routes. Guess what? They did it. And Treon couldn't deliver. His short game is abysmal. And his intermediate game is not much better. Basically no accuracy.

Now, some of it has to do with the line. I think he's a bit spooked behind the line and that has led to him not setting his feet and rushing his throws. Even when he throws deep, his feet are rarely planted. He generally always throws off his back foot an attempt to avoid contact. Because he does not have a quick release and does not anticipate breaks on routes he is getting absolutely annihilated behind this line. It was something that Grier did well.

Btw, the line was absolutely abysmal in the last 4 games. Halter can't play tackle and he consistently left his man with a direct shot to Treon. He gets flushed out of the pocket on about 75% of his dropbacks. Some of it has to do with his anticipation issues but the majority of it has to do with the line.

Everybody needs to remember that we only had four lineman for the O&B game.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

His short game is abysmal.

Ironic, huh?

 

[GatorJ]

Ironic, huh?

#Truth

 

[gatormandan]

It is interesting. Reminds me a lot of Muschamp in the way he was defended religiously. Nothing was ever Muschamp's fault. Every excuse was made for his inadequacies. Mac seems bullet proof on here. Much like his predecessor for the longest time. Grier and Harris were actually embroiled in a QB controversy for weeks. Hard to believe. Mac was fooled on that ridiculous fake FG. And we can't score to save our lives right now and he's supposed to be this offensive god.

I'm happy for the year since we got to ATL. Ten wins is good. Our schedule wasn't very good though. Mac will end up 1-4 vs ranked teams. That's not what you're looking for even in year one. I'm sure I'll get called all kinds of names but it is just a matter of prospective. Would anyone think we would be winning with Muschamp's defense? Crazy.

If we had a QB, we win the FSU game no problem. If we had a QB we either lose the bama game by 3 or less or we win the game. Our offense has produced more open receivers and tight ends than I have seen since the Spurrier days. Its not the staffs fault our only QB isnt able to do reads / check downs and refuses to throw the ball until the play is over. I will bet just about anything that they are teaching him how to do it but he just doesnt have it in him. Could they have added a few wrinkles? Yep. I dont see much working with our porous oline though. I wish they would try regardless. Putting our back up in would have helped alot of people feel like they were doing everything possible even if the plan failed.

 

[Chomper]

Mushcrap was 1 - 3 vs. UGa and Swamped Gator thought he was on to something? Only took him 4 years to get "onto something." Wow.