The Texas Job - AC (After Charlie), Mac on their list

[GatorRaz]

I think Coach is just about to his breaking point and who can blame him. We are all flustered w' the play this season. The second I wasn't nervous about this team it turned around and gave up 38 unanswered to the vols. Who is to blame? Not sure about that, probably players and coaches alike.

One thing that Harbaugh has on Mac as far as recruiting goes is 3 little letters, NFL. Being a former NFL Head Coach means he can go into any house in America and say "I know how to get you into The League! That is a huge advantage for Michigan.

A name not being mentioned for a bigger HC position is Chad Morris. Guy just beat Herman w' a bad team and the put some pretty good offenses out there when he was w' Clemsom.

 

[Himey]

If I may speak on UF's behalf here, if they want Mac, we would gladly waive any buyout and deliver him free of charge. Please be true. But inall seriousness, outside of Peterson that is the most laughable list of coaches I have ever seen. Fedora, OMG, is one of if not the worst game manager I have seen. I have watched him singlehandedly lose games for his team b/c he has no interest in defense and watch him call some of the silliest plays I have ever seen at the strangest times. However it is the Big 12, where defense is not only optional it is totally discouraged, so maybe he would work there. But if they want Mac, I will volunteer to help him get moved there ASAP

Was Fedora our OC in that year of the Zooker where in Grossman's last year at the Outback bowl.....we're driving down the field to win at the end of the game and then throw it away with some bizarre Wide Receiver screen pass combo?

 

[TheDouglas78]

Was Fedora our OC in that year of the Zooker where in Grossman's last year at the Outback bowl.....we're driving down the field to win at the end of the game and then throw it away with some bizarre Wide Receiver screen pass combo?

no, that was Zumbreaker or what ever it's spelled

 

[TLB]

Mongo only pawn in game of life.

This earns a like.

 

[Wuerffel4Pres]

Define Ubar quick? Rich Rod took over in 2008, tried to remake the roster into a disaster (he was their Muschamp). Hoke took over in 2011 started rebuilding the roster into a pro-style offense again. Harbaugh took over from where the roster was already in year 4 of rebuilding the roster, and put the dynamic pieces in place and is 1000x times better a game day coach that Hoke. So year 5 is uber quick?

Let's compare. Shall we?

Michigan:

2011 11-2
2012 8-5
2013 7-6
2014 5-7

Enter Jim Harbaugh:

2015 10-3 (including a demolishing of us)
2016 7-0 (so far, ranked #2 in the nation and with the exception of Wisconsin, annihilating opponents)

And us:

2011 7-6
2012 11-2
2013 4-8 (cringe)
2014 7-5

Enter McElwain:

2015 10-4 (including three straight demoralizing, crushing defeats, the last one to that Michigan squad)
2016 5-1

Michigan goes from 5-7 to immediately on the up and up.

Look, I've never once said McElwain needs to go. All I said is I am tired of all the damn excuses of why we aren't winning like we should be. Losers make excuses. Winners make solutions ... and win. This is a Gator message board. This is a place where I can b---h about the s--tty display of football I have seen now for 7 straight seasons and people will understand me. Try having this conversation with a non-Gator fan and they look at me like I have three heads.

I don't want to hear anymore from fans, media, players, coaches, athletic department, etc. of why we aren't what we are. No more talk. Fix it. And fix it now. We are Florida. Enough is enough already. I cannot take anymore headache-inducing football from my beloved Gators. I don't want talk. I want change. Whether that means Mac goes or something else, something needs to be fixed.

No.

More.

Excuses.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

Let's compare. Shall we?

Michigan:

2011 11-2
2012 8-5
2013 7-6
2014 5-7

Enter Jim Harbaugh:

2015 10-3 (including a demolishing of us)
2016 7-0 (so far, ranked #2 in the nation and with the exception of Wisconsin, annihilating opponents)

And us:

2011 7-6
2012 11-2
2013 4-8 (cringe)
2014 7-5

Enter McElwain:

2015 10-4 (including three straight demoralizing, crushing defeats, the last one to that Michigan squad)
2016 5-1

Michigan goes from 5-7 to immediately on the up and up.

Look, I've never once said McElwain needs to go. All I said is I am tired of all the damn excuses of why we aren't winning like we should be. Losers make excuses. Winners make solutions ... and win. This is a Gator message board. This is a place where I can b---h about the s--tty display of football I have seen now for 7 straight seasons and people will understand me. Try having this conversation with a non-Gator fan and they look at me like I have three heads.

I don't want to hear anymore from fans, media, players, coaches, athletic department, etc. of why we aren't what we are. No more talk. Fix it. And fix it now. We are Florida. Enough is enough already. I cannot take anymore headache-inducing football from my beloved Gators. I don't want talk. I want change. Whether that means Mac goes or something else, something needs to be fixed.

No.

More.

Excuses.

I can only like this once but since I'm a Lifetime Member that should count for 10 likes...
Enough...enough about Urban leaving, enough about Muschamp sucking.....The GD time is now and we need a coach AND players to light a fire under some peoples a$$.....On the field, in the weightroom and for the love of God on the damned recruiting trail.
Our new motto going forward should be "Get it done or get the f vk out".....

 

[NavetG8r]

I'm getting sick of these Harbaugh vs McElwain comparisons. How about somebody really good at this stuff look up how many total scholarship players Michigan had, and how many at each position, including star ratings and career starts at those positions when Harbaugh got there, then compare that to what UF had when McElwain got to UF. Then we're comparing apples to apples.

I'm not even looking this stuff up, but I'd be willing to bet $100 Michigan was a hell of a lot closer to their 85 man scholarship cap than we were, and had a WHOLE LOT MORE OLinemen than Mac had too. Some of you can't seem to wrap your heads around roster caps and how that affects filling your roster when you're only allowed to give out 25 scholarships per year (give or take depending on early enrollees).

Come back and talk to me again after providing this information for us to compare them fairly.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I'm getting sick of these Harbaugh vs McElwain comparisons.

You are really going to hate next September.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

I'm getting sick of these Harbaugh vs McElwain comparisons. How about somebody really good at this stuff look up how many total scholarship players Michigan had, and how many at each position, including star ratings and career starts at those positions when Harbaugh got there, then compare that to what UF had when McElwain got to UF. Then we're comparing apples to apples.

I'm not even looking this stuff up, but I'd be willing to bet $100 Michigan was a hell of a lot closer to their 85 man scholarship cap than we were, and had a WHOLE LOT MORE OLinemen than Mac had too. Some of you can't seem to wrap your heads around roster caps and how that affects filling your roster when you're only allowed to give out 25 scholarships per year (give or take depending on early enrollees).

Come back and talk to me again after providing this information for us to compare them fairly.

Nav, the proof is in the pudding....Michigan gets better and better from game to game and their recruiting is outstanding. We seem to go whichever way the wind blows as far as game performance and are very average at recruiting.....I really don't know what else to say....

 

[NavetG8r]

Nav, the proof is in the pudding....Michigan gets better and better from game to game and their recruiting is outstanding. We seem to go whichever way the wind blows as far as game performance and are very average at recruiting.....I really don't know what else to say....

I do, dept and injuries. We got one without the other. Michigan not so much. Depth makes a lot more of a difference than some of you want to admit. When we lose an OLineman to an injury, the next man up is equivalent to a walk-on. When Michigan loses an OLineman to an injury their next man up would be a starter at many other programs. Hence, offensive inconsistency. We've also lost our starting QB in both of Mac's seasons for multiple games. Sheessh I don't think you guys really get just how bad off we were when Mac got here. The fact that he's done what he has, has been a miracle. If Mac hadn't gone out and scraped up the number of OLinemen he has, we wouldn't have ANY depth, in fact, some of his recruits are starting for us, that's how bad of shape our roster was in before he got here.

 

[Gatorphan]

their recruiting is outstanding.

Currently on Rivals, both teams have 18 commits, neither has a 5 star, UM has ten 4 stars, UF has one less at nine 4 stars.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

Currently on Rivals, both teams have 18 commits, neither has a 5 star, UM has ten 4 stars, UF has one less at nine 4 stars.

What about their first 2 classes....Oh, and nevermind one is at the flagship University located in the biggest and best recruiting state there is...

 

[MJMGator]

I do, dept and injuries. We got one without the other. Michigan not so much. Depth makes a lot more of a difference than some of you want to admit. When we lose an OLineman to an injury, the next man up is equivalent to a walk-on. When Michigan loses an OLineman to an injury their next man up would be a starter at many other programs. Hence, offensive inconsistency. We've also lost our starting QB in both of Mac's seasons for multiple games. Sheessh I don't think you guys really get just how bad off we were when Mac got here. The fact that he's done what he has, has been a miracle. If Mac hadn't gone out and scraped up the number of OLinemen he has, we wouldn't have ANY depth, in fact, some of his recruits are starting for us, that's how bad of shape our roster was in before he got here.

All of that may be true...but the fact remains the product in year 2 ain't much damn better than year 1. FFS we can't even stop the false starts, fielding punts inside the 5, etc.. Those things have ZERO to do with depth or recrutiing rankings. Those are called piss-poor coaching.
He'll definetly get another year (whether I like it or not), but he's all but convinced me he's not the man for the job. The best comparison I can come up with is Mark Richt...minus the top rated recruiting classes. Feels like we're just going to have to suffer through the inevitable until he's sent off into the sunset with a fat buyout and hope our next hire is the RIGHT hire.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

What about their first 2 classes....Oh, and nevermind one is at the flagship University located in the biggest and best recruiting state there is...

:crickets:

 

[Gatorphan]

What about their first 2 classes....Oh, and nevermind one is at the flagship University located in the biggest and best recruiting state there is...

Your quote was that Harbaugh's recruiting was "outstanding".

Mighigan Class rank:
2015 - 51
2016 - 4
2017 - 11 to date

I don't equate that to outstanding. Harbaugh was definitely left with a better roster.

I will agree about Butters. He's #23, #14, and #14 during the same period. That's not cutting it. If he doesn't improve this class to top ten, with solid late OL and LB pick ups, he's going to go into 2017 on the griddle. We all know that.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

Harbaugh was definitely left with a better roster.

Not too sure about that. Good friends with Michigan alumni and they saw Hoke's crash coming due to holes in the roster. Their defensive starters would not have made it as our scout team....He also took a QB who was pretty much like Appleby and turned him into an NFL prospect within 1 season.
I'm not against Mac being our coach next year or even down the line, but his trial is the next 5 games....Show me what you want this team to be, no more of this yo yo up and down bs....hell he doesn't even have to win all 5, win me 4 of the 5 with some consistent offense, solid all around defense and special teams while locking down some home grown in state talent,4-5 stars, and shake off any hanger on assistants that are dragging us down.

 

[Gatorphan]

Not too sure about that. Good friends with Michigan alumni and they saw Hoke's crash coming due to holes in the roster. Their defensive starters would not have made it as our scout team....He also took a QB who was pretty much like Appleby and turned him into an NFL prospect within 1 season.
I'm not against Mac being our coach next year or even down the line, but his trial is the next 5 games....Show me what you want this team to be, no more of this yo yo up and down bs....hell he doesn't even have to win all 5, win me 4 of the 5 with some consistent offense, solid all around defense and special teams while locking down some home grown in state talent,4-5 stars, and shake off any hanger on assistants that are dragging us down.

I'm not saying his was great, but our o-line and QB situation last year post WG were pathetic.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Let's compare. Shall we?

Michigan:

2011 11-2
2012 8-5
2013 7-6
2014 5-7

Enter Jim Harbaugh:

2015 10-3 (including a demolishing of us)
2016 7-0 (so far, ranked #2 in the nation and with the exception of Wisconsin, annihilating opponents)

And us:

2011 7-6
2012 11-2
2013 4-8 (cringe)
2014 7-5

Enter McElwain:

2015 10-4 (including three straight demoralizing, crushing defeats, the last one to that Michigan squad)
2016 5-1

Michigan goes from 5-7 to immediately on the up and up.

The above has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but thanks for trying... reading comprehension is your friend. The East has been $hit the last 8 years, but we were supposed to be a 6 win team last year with 6 returning linemen and a bunch of under performers on offense. And when injuries and suspensions happened last year, we looked like that 6 win team. But we also don't have to only get up for 2 or 3 games a year, before the bowl game. Harbaugh walked into a more complete roster, and an easier schedule (not by much). I think he is a better coach and carries a national brand with him. It's easier to make a turn around with a more complete roster.

Look, I've never once said McElwain needs to go. All I said is I am tired of all the damn excuses of why we aren't winning like we should be. Losers make excuses. Winners make solutions ... and win. This is a Gator message board. This is a place where I can b---h about the s--tty display of football I have seen now for 7 straight seasons and people will understand me. Try having this conversation with a non-Gator fan and they look at me like I have three heads.

Then you need to look at the context of the situations you are comparing.... How far away was Harbaugh entering the organization since their Muschamp destroyed their roster?

I don't want to hear anymore from fans, media, players, coaches, athletic department, etc. of why we aren't what we are. No more talk. Fix it. And fix it now. We are Florida. Enough is enough already. I cannot take anymore headache-inducing football from my beloved Gators. I don't want talk. I want change. Whether that means Mac goes or something else, something needs to be fixed.

Well, then were you bitching when Muschamp was pulling in top 5 recruiting classes with one or two offensive linemen? If not, then you are part of the problem. Just like we should be bitching now about the lack of DT's and LB's in the last recruiting class. But we have plenty of DB's the last few years.

No.

More.

Excuses.

I guess reading comprehension not your strongest suit. Take a look again at what I said... then respond. I don't believe I mentioned records at all, I mentioned the rebuild of the roster. Please read again, and respond.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Not too sure about that. Good friends with Michigan alumni and they saw Hoke's crash coming due to holes in the roster. Their defensive starters would not have made it as our scout team....He also took a QB who was pretty much like Appleby and turned him into an NFL prospect within 1 season.
I'm not against Mac being our coach next year or even down the line, but his trial is the next 5 games....Show me what you want this team to be, no more of this yo yo up and down bs....hell he doesn't even have to win all 5, win me 4 of the 5 with some consistent offense, solid all around defense and special teams while locking down some home grown in state talent,4-5 stars, and shake off any hanger on assistants that are dragging us down.

Talent wise we had more athletic talent, they had a more complete roster. Hoke's recuiting classes were not filed with the premium talent, but they were build to run the offense and defense that Harbaugh needed. So instead of filling major positional deficiencies they fill pieces to make them better.

 

[TheDouglas78]

I can only like this once but since I'm a Lifetime Member that should count for 10 likes...
Enough...enough about Urban leaving, enough about Muschamp sucking.....The GD time is now and we need a coach AND players to light a fire under some peoples a$$.....On the field, in the weightroom and for the love of God on the damned recruiting trail.
Our new motto going forward should be "Get it done or get the f vk out".....

McElwain gets next season, we have said that from the beginning. I think it is funny that people who were all saying it's going to take three years to rebuild the damage that Muschamp did to our roster makeup are now saying he should be competing to National Titles. His recruiting needs a massive overall, but he gets the 3 years. After year 3 it's either put up or shut up. Next year, either we will be moving forward with McElwain or hunting for a new coach.