OSU Saga: Meyer suspended for 3 games

[InstiGATOR1]

What's completely fuked up are the enablers in Smith's life. If I were cheated on, beaten and then had these events covered up at the highest level, you better believe I'd plot to take them down. I don't care if Courtney is bat schit crazy, this is no excuse to cheat on or abuse someone. Sick bastards

You may believe there is no excuse for cheating on a spouse. I am not sure in the US today the public agrees with you or thinks it is the "high crime" you view it as.

As for abusing someone, you, me and the public seem to agree. The question becomes is a grown adult woman responsible to get out of such a situation or are they child like and not a fully formed human beings who can not be expected to take care of themselves and leave.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Urbs doesn’t deserve to be fired over this silly BS.

Yeah, hell, his players shot two people in the face in Hoggetown and he didnt miss a day.

Do you people understand how important football is? Who really cares if a couple of thugs get shot or some bytch who had it coming got her ass kicked frequently for a decade?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Ahh, yes, we're going with the Liar Liar defense here:

When did it become hip to stick up for wifebeaters?

He is a bucknut shill.

Notice no one else verifies this "even her own mother thinks Zach should kick her ass" defense.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

He is a bucknut shill.

Notice no one else verifies this "even her own mother thinks Zach should kick her ass" defense.

I don't claim to know. Like bosses and Universities in such situations, I can not impanel a grand jury. I can not send the police to investigate and arrest someone. I merely quoted an article I happened to have heard about.

BTW, Mr. Lawyer:

1. In tort law doesn't the injured have a duty to mitigate their losses?

2. Under the law of self defense is one in many states obligated to retreat rather than use particularly deadly force if one has an avenue to retreat?

Isn't the idea under the law that you don't get to maximize the damage done to you or that you do to someone else. Of course children have a much harder problem getting out of an abuse situation, but many just run away and disappear every year.

Of course to someone like you who believes women are not fully formed human beings like a MAN, no woman could be expected to minimize the damages done to them by LEAVING. This I guess is some exception to the law or maybe you are joining the mob and this is outside the law?

 

[Gator Fever]

You dont believe an employer can punish you unless you are convicted of a crime?

Boss, Ive been late to work every day this year and I take Monday and Fri off too, but cant fire me. No jury has convicted of a crime.

Boss, I have 14 accidents in company cars but you cant fire me bc I have gotten a reckless driving conviction yet.

Boss, I scream and yell at ever person in the office but the police havent arrested me for assault yet so you cant fire me.

You really believe that?

You really believe that is the law?

Would you believe it if it was your wife or daughter getting abused by someone and the police let him go because his dad is one of the most famous football figures in the state?

In most of these cases the stuff goes away due to the female not following up in reality. You see it happen so much you almost get numb to the idiots running back to the abuser and refusing to cooperate with authorities to get the person legally held responsible. Heck Florida and most states I think have it where a victim of domestic abuse cant be legally forced to testify against the abuser which usually means there will be no case unless the stuff is caught on video or something like that.

As far as employers I think they would be setting themselves up for having to make payouts down the road to fired employees if they just started firing people over accusations occurring outside of employment the state wasn't following up on due to the victim not cooperating unless their is really clear evidence of what happened.

 

[TN G8tr]

Urb's dodged another bullet. This is not atypical behavior for him. He has done this before. He may not condone behavior issues but he's done nothing to stop them neither. He's had issues also with player behavior. I refer to the Big Hawaiian with Tattoos. Can't believe that hasn't come up either.

 

[T REX]

You may believe there is no excuse for cheating on a spouse. I am not sure in the US today the public agrees with you or thinks it is the "high crime" you view it as.

As for abusing someone, you, me and the public seem to agree. The question becomes is a grown adult woman responsible to get out of such a situation or are they child like and not a fully formed human beings who can not be expected to take care of themselves and leave.

Why Do People Stay in Abusive Relationships? - The Hotline

 

[PaterLacerta]

Of course to someone like you who believes women are not fully formed human beings like a MAN, no woman could be expected to minimize the damages done to them by LEAVING. This I guess is some exception to the law or maybe you are joining the mob and this is outside the law?

You’d change your tune if you did this stuff for a living.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I don't claim to know. Like bosses and Universities in such situations, I can not impanel a grand jury. I can not send the police to investigate and arrest someone. I merely quoted an article I happened to have heard about.

BTW, Mr. Lawyer:

1. In tort law doesn't the injured have a duty to mitigate their losses?

2. Under the law of self defense is one in many states obligated to retreat rather than use particularly deadly force if one has an avenue to retreat?

Isn't the idea under the law that you don't get to maximize the damage done to you or that you do to someone else. Of course children have a much harder problem getting out of an abuse situation, but many just run away and disappear every year.

Of course to someone like you who believes women are not fully formed human beings like a MAN, no woman could be expected to minimize the damages done to them by LEAVING. This I guess is some exception to the law or maybe you are joining the mob and this is outside the law?

I used to think you were just fuggin nuts in your football analysis. Now I realize you are nutbag in everything.

Yes, it as that bytch's fault. She deserved it. She didn't leave so he SHOULD kick her ass. She wanted it.

You wearing a wife beater today too?

 

[InstiGATOR1]

You’d change your tune if you did this stuff for a living.

Well I have no idea what "stuff" you are talking about. I am writing on a message board. I suspect you are right that if I did this for a living, I might will pull my punches and not really say what I think rather than risk losing my paid position writing on a message board. That is in many ways an unfortunate thing about being paid to do something.

 

[PaterLacerta]

Well I have no idea what "stuff" you are talking about. I am writing on a message board. I suspect you are right that if I did this for a living, I might will pull my punches and not really say what I think rather than risk losing my paid position writing on a message board. That is in many ways an unfortunate thing about being paid to do something.

In most of my posts I talk out of my ass like everyone else. I spent 30 years as prosecutor, however, and the problem is real and just as frustrating.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

I used to think you were just fuggin nuts in your football analysis. Now I realize you are nutbag in everything.

Yes, it as that bytch's fault. She deserved it. She didn't leave so he SHOULD kick her ass. She wanted it.

You wearing a wife beater today too?

I used to think you were just a pretend UF football fan. Now I think you are a pretend lawyer too. You have no interest in the legal issues, I raised and instead just want to call names.

Of course maybe you are just a lawyer with a job where if you were caught being non-PC about this subject your job would be in jeopardy. In that case I understand your not being willing to discuss this like you did what a morals clause means for someone with prior behavior like Winston, but it does not really excuse the personal attacks. One might think that someone who claims to act as an advocate would be the last person to resort to personal attacks, but then again you probably are not a lawyer anyway.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Yes, Mr PC. If there is anything people on this board would agree about, it is that no one is more PC than me.

Have your wife call me. I'm interested in filing a protective order on behalf of that poor lady. You obviously beat piss out of her regularly.

I will do it pro bono.

 

[MJMGator]

Yeah, hell, his players shot two people in the face in Hoggetown and he didnt miss a day.

Do you people understand how important football is? Who really cares if a couple of thugs get shot or some bytch who had it coming got her ass kicked frequently for a decade?

Look, I just don’t think it’s my responsibility to be the savior for one of my employees spouse. She shoulda dumped his ass years ago but she chose to stay with him. Urbs is supposed to intervene because she chose to stay with that dude?

 

[InstiGATOR1]

In most of my posts I talk out of my ass like everyone else. I spent 30 years as prosecutor, however, and the problem is real and just as frustrating.

I am sure it can be a frustrating problem. It is frustrating to society and I am sure to a prosecutor who very often gets his way it is very frustrating to often have a non-cooperative possible victim.

However, the victim was there and the prosecutor was NOT. The victim might know far better than the prosecutor the division of blame in the family.

This is why I like statute of limitations and why they developed in the first place. People should not be using either the prosecutors office or the mob for revenge

 

[PaterLacerta]

Look, I just don’t think it’s my responsibility to be the savior for one of my employees spouse. She shoulda dumped his ass years ago but she chose to stay with him. Urbs is supposed to intervene because she chose to stay with that dude?

The problem is that Urban has a track record of enabling criminal behavior.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

Look, I just don’t think it’s my responsibility to be the savior for one of my employees spouse. She shoulda dumped his ass years ago but she chose to stay with him. Urbs is supposed to intervene because she chose to stay with that dude?

It really is amazing that somehow a boss is suppose to be able to determine what is right, even when the people with subpoena power are not able to find enough evidence to charge someone with a crime.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

It really is amazing that somehow a boss is suppose to be able to determine what is right, even when the people with subpoena power are not able to find enough evidence to charge someone with a crime.

WRONG WRONG WRONG
He isn't supposed to investigate anything. He is supposed to report it to the appropriate people, compliance and/or some internal affairs/personnel office.

He knows it and he didn't want to do it because "his heart" said not to because he didn't want to harm his coach (or his chance of winning football games).

 

[InstiGATOR1]

WRONG WRONG WRONG
He isn't supposed to investigate anything. He is supposed to report it to the appropriate people, compliance and/or some internal affairs/personnel office.

He knows it and he didn't want to do it because "his heart" said not to because he didn't want to harm his coach (or his chance of winning football games).

You are still talking about Meyer. I have been for a bunch of posts talking about the mob mentality and the move towards presumed guilt and sexism.

But as far as Meyer goes, what do you think is the it he should have reported:

1. Rumors?
2. Unsubstantiated claims?
3. Pictures documenting that at some point in her life Ms. Smith suffered injuries from some source?

This modern job requirement that you report gossip is pretty strange to me.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Look, I just don’t think it’s my responsibility to be the savior for one of my employees spouse. She shoulda dumped his ass years ago but she chose to stay with him. Urbs is supposed to intervene because she chose to stay with that dude?

Leyer has an obligation to minimize his employer's exposure to litigation. He has the obligation to report it and let the appropriate people investigate if appropriate.