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FSU hires Cornrow Norvell from bottom feeder Memphis
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this one! mods, delete if language is too offensive
- Oct 8, 2017
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Any possible chance this is not just Deion intentionally spreading these rumors and, in doing so, further hurting his former school (not alma mater)
- Oct 8, 2017
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This is long but definitely worth an amusing heartfelt laughing read. From The Athletic FSU beat writer lately:
“FSU’s Academic Progress Rate situation also remains tenuous. FSU football ended the 2017-18 academic year with APR score of 922 (out of 1,000), which dropped the four-year average to 936 — last nationally among FBS programs.“
“I'd disagree that Taggart left the program worse. There's a 2020 QB in hand in Jeff Sims and more offensive line help on the way. Also, the off the field situation has drastically improved. Next coach won't have an easy job, but undoubtedly will have an easier one than Taggart did.”
“Eight days later, Taggart was fired. He didn’t get the chance to show “sustained improvement” one week after the AD said he had “made significant progress” and could “recruit his way out of it.”
There’s isn’t precedent for what transpired with Taggart. He is in line to receive the second-largest buyout in college football history after less than two seasons of work. There weren’t any off-field scandals, contract violations or NCAA sanctions.
Charlie Weis was paid $18.9 million when Notre Dame fired him in 2009, but he’d been the coach for five years and finished out the season.”
“There’s something else that differentiates Taggart from most of his second-year counterparts (other than Edwards and Sumlin), something that was brought up even before his hiring. ...
Taggart became the first black head football coach in Florida State history. Along with Wilcox and basketball coach Leonard Hamilton, Florida State became the only Power 5 school in the country with a black athletic director, a black football coach and a black men’s basketball coach. FSU wasn’t shy about pushing that fact and received positive feedback for it.
Less than two years later, two of those three are gone”
“There are doubts that Florida State would replace Taggart with another black coach.
“I’m at a loss for words!” a Taggart signee’s parent who asked to remain anonymous said via text message. “I think they jumped the gun prematurely because the simple fact is that they will hire a white coach and give him the adequate time to bring his recruits into the system. Then, it would be that Taggart left the program a mess. The facts are that Jimbo left the program in shambles, but that will never be spoken of. There are fans that didn’t support this coach because he’s a black man. Mark my words, when they hire one of theirs, watch how the tables turn!”
“One longtime Seminoles Booster from south Florida who asked for anonymity said that while “it’s hard to argue with the eye test of the Miami game, I do have deep concerns that race did play a factor in this decision, but that is just my personal opinion. Anytime you have a group of all white men in a room making decisions on the future of a minority coach, it’s never a good look. While we had vocal fans and boosters who demanded a coaching change, we also have a large group of Willie supporters who aren’t comfortable with this decision.”
“There’s no question he’d gotten off to a rough start at FSU. But the turnarounds had started in Year 3 at Western Kentucky and USF.”
“Ward said. “I know God will honor his work that he has done at FSU and the next coach will have a better place to start than he did. He was establishing a culture of accountability, team unity, responsibility, discipline and development of young men, but he just didn’t win enough.”
He also hits on Sofla’s point that this wasn’t an overnight decision. They were planning this for a while to raise the necessary cash.
I guess Sas was not right that this issue was only a lame joke on this board.
“FSU’s Academic Progress Rate situation also remains tenuous. FSU football ended the 2017-18 academic year with APR score of 922 (out of 1,000), which dropped the four-year average to 936 — last nationally among FBS programs.“
“I'd disagree that Taggart left the program worse. There's a 2020 QB in hand in Jeff Sims and more offensive line help on the way. Also, the off the field situation has drastically improved. Next coach won't have an easy job, but undoubtedly will have an easier one than Taggart did.”
“Eight days later, Taggart was fired. He didn’t get the chance to show “sustained improvement” one week after the AD said he had “made significant progress” and could “recruit his way out of it.”
There’s isn’t precedent for what transpired with Taggart. He is in line to receive the second-largest buyout in college football history after less than two seasons of work. There weren’t any off-field scandals, contract violations or NCAA sanctions.
Charlie Weis was paid $18.9 million when Notre Dame fired him in 2009, but he’d been the coach for five years and finished out the season.”
“There’s something else that differentiates Taggart from most of his second-year counterparts (other than Edwards and Sumlin), something that was brought up even before his hiring. ...
Taggart became the first black head football coach in Florida State history. Along with Wilcox and basketball coach Leonard Hamilton, Florida State became the only Power 5 school in the country with a black athletic director, a black football coach and a black men’s basketball coach. FSU wasn’t shy about pushing that fact and received positive feedback for it.
Less than two years later, two of those three are gone”
“There are doubts that Florida State would replace Taggart with another black coach.
“I’m at a loss for words!” a Taggart signee’s parent who asked to remain anonymous said via text message. “I think they jumped the gun prematurely because the simple fact is that they will hire a white coach and give him the adequate time to bring his recruits into the system. Then, it would be that Taggart left the program a mess. The facts are that Jimbo left the program in shambles, but that will never be spoken of. There are fans that didn’t support this coach because he’s a black man. Mark my words, when they hire one of theirs, watch how the tables turn!”
“One longtime Seminoles Booster from south Florida who asked for anonymity said that while “it’s hard to argue with the eye test of the Miami game, I do have deep concerns that race did play a factor in this decision, but that is just my personal opinion. Anytime you have a group of all white men in a room making decisions on the future of a minority coach, it’s never a good look. While we had vocal fans and boosters who demanded a coaching change, we also have a large group of Willie supporters who aren’t comfortable with this decision.”
“There’s no question he’d gotten off to a rough start at FSU. But the turnarounds had started in Year 3 at Western Kentucky and USF.”
“Ward said. “I know God will honor his work that he has done at FSU and the next coach will have a better place to start than he did. He was establishing a culture of accountability, team unity, responsibility, discipline and development of young men, but he just didn’t win enough.”
He also hits on Sofla’s point that this wasn’t an overnight decision. They were planning this for a while to raise the necessary cash.
I guess Sas was not right that this issue was only a lame joke on this board.
- Jun 11, 2014
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They think it’s a race issue
they should have seen our fan base with the last 2 ****tards we had...both white and sucked balls. I only wish we had the foresight to have fired them almost immediately. I hate to defend fsu here but this was not race it was firing a awful head coach
- Aug 30, 2014
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Fox has picked up the story. Its all over the place This may actually happen
- Sep 4, 2014
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This was what I was talking about with regards to the power of perception. They can say what they want, but the next coach, white or black, will absolutely be inheriting a worse overall situation than Taggart did. Stats don't lie. The recruiting has not come close to what it was in prior years, and the culture is significantly worse. Case in point regarding "accountability and discipline", it was true freshman Samuel who threw the punch at us last year bailing us out on 3rd down and leading to a score. He never played a down under Fisher. Durden, who was one of the kids fighting before the um game was a '17 recruit, so he had twice as long under the tutelage of WT as he did under Fisher. There may have been problems when WT arrived. But there is no question that his tenure exacerbated them.
But the more these type comments are made, it creates a narrative that will be hard to reverse. As the recruit's mom said, if they do in fact hire one of "theirs"(brutal how that type of language is tolerated, btw), he will be walking into a disaster, with a roster full of kids who will have signed up to play for 3 different head coaches and have taken part in some of the most undisciplined performances in the history of college football. And he'll have an employer that has been openly called out as being racially biased, meaning the moment that new coach is given an inch longer leash than his predecessor, there will be people up in arms ranting about the hypocrisy. And you know that if that's the feelings of a 2020 recruit, it's also a prevailing thought in the locker room, especially with those that signed up to play for Taggart. Bring in your own entirely new staff, and it only furthers the disconnect. Try to mitigate some of that damage by keeping the coordinators, and you inherit two guys who've involved in nasty scandals, including one where rampant rape and sexual misconduct were overlooked for years.
Who on earth would voluntarily walk into any of that?
- Jan 2, 2018
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We did, actually. Taggart showed no signs of progress and got canned. Muschamp was a mixed bag (by record) and should’ve been canned in his 3rd year (my opinion) but did have a viable excuse for another try due to injuries. Wasn’t getting better in year 4 and got canned. Butters made two SECCG (can’t fire him then) but was fired the next year due to his own stupidity (but he didn’t break any rules). In fact, if you knew nothing about the programs and just looked at wins and losses, you could argue that Butters got a more raw deal than Taggart.They think it’s a race issuethey should have seen our fan base with the last 2 ****tards we had...both white and sucked balls. I only wish we had the foresight to have fired them almost immediately. I hate to defend fsu here but this was not race it was firing a awful head coach
- Jan 2, 2018
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Enter Deion Sanders, the savior. He’s known for discipline, on and off the field. Leash length can be easily explained since he’s a Nole legend. And no worries about race issues. I think its a slam dunk.
Also, I caught the “their” thing as well. How that’s acceptable is beyond me.
- Oct 15, 2014
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Sounds good to me.
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See, I’m not always an idiot!
- Oct 15, 2014
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Broken clock is right twice a day.
- Jun 12, 2014
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I agree. That's why this Deon rumor may have some weight. He's dumb enough to want this. The best part is, they would have to give him at least 4 years because he's a black alum. Can you imagine the backlash they'd get for firing two black coaches early?
- Oct 5, 2014
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With the situation FSU is in they absolutely have to get this next hire right. There is a very good chance that they will hire another wrong guy and further damage the program and brand. Jimbo Fisher leaving for Texas A&M damaged FSU more than they realized at the time. They thought they were something and there were a lot of Notes that wanted to get rid of Jimbo anyway. Jimbo may not know much but he knows a dumpster fire when he sees one.
They are at similar point Alabama was at when they hired Saban. When Mal Moore went to the podium announced Nick Saban as the next head coach of the Crimson Tide everybody in that room was confident they had found their savior. When David Coburn goes to the podium to announce the next head coach of FSU I expect there are going to be a lot of "WTFs" unless it does turn out to be a bomb out of nowhere like hiring Deion Sanders. But the chance of Deion Sanders becoming a successful head coach of a major football school is something that I will have to see before I will believe it.
They are at similar point Alabama was at when they hired Saban. When Mal Moore went to the podium announced Nick Saban as the next head coach of the Crimson Tide everybody in that room was confident they had found their savior. When David Coburn goes to the podium to announce the next head coach of FSU I expect there are going to be a lot of "WTFs" unless it does turn out to be a bomb out of nowhere like hiring Deion Sanders. But the chance of Deion Sanders becoming a successful head coach of a major football school is something that I will have to see before I will believe it.
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No he wouldn’t lol.
Nobody wants to not be developed or coached up. Some idiots might go because they grew up fans but they’ll be just as hilariously bad if not worse than Willie
