NCAA Playoff Expansion

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You maybe my favorite Iggles fan sofla. But not even in the top 3 on people I look to zing on this site.

As far as Budha, I wear one around my neck and have since 99.

Yeah, about that fat Budha necklace you got as a gift. It's actually a shirtless Wade Phillips sitting indian style. Your wife just thought you'd like it and didn't have the heart to tell you about the misconception.
 

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Yeah, about that fat Budha necklace you got as a gift. It's actually a shirtless Wade Phillips sitting indian style. Your wife just thought you'd like it and didn't have the heart to tell you about the misconception.

Though that is Funny.. I got it in Thailand. Didn't meet the wife until 08, and she blames me for making her a Cowboys fan. About mid December when they do their annual elimination from the playoffs, she reminds me that we could be fans of a better team... yeah, she never mentions the Iggles when discussing better teams.... just pointing that out.
 

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Sounds like all the people here would prefer to go back to the days of letting sportswriters select the mythical National Champion. Bowl games are a waste of time, eliminate all of them. A twelve team playoff is reasonable, do it. Oh yeah I almost forgot every other sport in the NCAA has a champion determined by a playoff, every single sport.

Did erbody miss this? Slipped in there between @TheDouglas78 obsession with @soflagator fest. Just want to make sure it was seen because I made a lot of popcorn after I read it.
 

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Four teams is already plenty. Those 4 teams need to be the 4 highest ranked conference champions. This gives an avenue to the Boise States and TCUs of the world to play their way in.

Winning the conference should be a requirement because it makes every game in the regular season interesting. It needs to be modified however to eliminate east/west or north/south divisions. The games should be played round-robin style with the two best teams in the conference meeting in the CG, rather than some 4 loss team squeaking in simply due to geography. The argument for wild cards is always that some deserving team got edged out of their CG this way, so just get rid of it. Nobody is going to shed a tear if the 3rd best team in some conference didn't get a chance to make the playoff. It also gets rid of the chance of a team basically getting a "bye" week due to not being in the CG, which Bama has done twice IIRC.
 

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They're trying stem the massive exodus of NFL hopefuls every December. It'll make it a little harder to leave your teammates if they're like, "Dayum, homie, ya'll gonna leave us like dat when we gots a shot at the Natty Tight? Dayum, *****."
 

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Four teams is already plenty. Those 4 teams need to be the 4 highest ranked conference champions. This gives an avenue to the Boise States and TCUs of the world to play their way in.

Winning the conference should be a requirement because it makes every game in the regular season interesting. It needs to be modified however to eliminate east/west or north/south divisions. The games should be played round-robin style with the two best teams in the conference meeting in the CG, rather than some 4 loss team squeaking in simply due to geography. The argument for wild cards is always that some deserving team got edged out of their CG this way, so just get rid of it. Nobody is going to shed a tear if the 3rd best team in some conference didn't get a chance to make the playoff. It also gets rid of the chance of a team basically getting a "bye" week due to not being in the CG, which Bama has done twice IIRC.

I disagree. 4 teams isnt enough. What a 4 team playoff does is make all those bowl games stupid waste of time. Players opt out. Cool matchups become meaningless because the game is meaningless. Coaches like Mullen dont even prepare. Then there is negative drama by the teams outside looking in.

F all that. Open it up and let 12 teams in. Get rid of all those stupid meaningless bowl games. Make those matchups meaningful. Let those crybaby UCFs out there get a good chance to get in so we all can enjoy watching them get thrashed. Im tired of seeing Bama, Clemson, OSU and the revolving door of OU/UGA/LSU be the only ones in there.

Conference Champs get in. Then several at large from the polls get in. Furthermore, use the polls to seed the matchups and make the first and second round be home games for the higher seed teams.

EDIT: and oh yeah... F@ck Notre Dame. Make them have to bust ass and have to be an at large every time.
 
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To heck with the playoff system, every team should just get a trophy for being on the field. We can fill our trophy case with we made it to the playoff trophies 50 years in a row but our last natty was in 1980.

Truthfully, change is bad, it's are own damn fault for being sick of the BCS. Now, that i think about it, what has the current system even proven. How many of the past 10 champions would have been different in the BCS system? The truth is this is all just smoke and mirrors to get more people to watch ESPN.
 

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I disagree. 4 teams isnt enough. What a 4 team playoff does is make all those bowl games stupid waste of time. Players opt out. Cool matchups become meaningless because the game is meaningless. Coaches like Mullen dont even prepare. Then there is negative drama by the teams outside looking in.

F all that. Open it up and let 12 teams in. Get rid of all those stupid meaningless bowl games. Make those matchups meaningful. Let those crybaby UCFs out there get a good chance to get in so we all can enjoy watching them get thrashed. Im tired of seeing Bama, Clemson, OSU and the revolving door of OU/UGA/LSU be the only ones in there.

Conference Champs get in. Then several at large from the polls get in. Furthermore, use the polls to seed the matchups and make the first and second round be home games for the higher seed teams.

EDIT: and oh yeah... F@ck Notre Dame. Make them have to bust ass and have to be an at large every time.
Bowl games have always been meaningless exhibitions. The meaningless part simply stands out more when there is a playoff. All you do by including so many teams is make the conference championships meaningless. The CGs should be the de facto first round of the playoffs. One of the worst things about the NBA for example is how many teams make the playoffs. It simply doesn't need to be that big. When you have 5 or 6 CGs that have the potential to send the winner to the playoff, that's a pretty big bracket already.
 

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Did erbody miss this? Slipped in there between @TheDouglas78 obsession with @soflagator fest. Just want to make sure it was seen because I made a lot of popcorn after I read it.

At this point, it seems obvious that the playoff committee is insistent on expanding and there's nothing standing in their way.

Except this Joegator96, who, for some unknown reason, has decided to place a bench across the walkway.
 

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How the hell would they even format the 12 team playoff? Teams 1-4 get a bye then 1-4 play winners accordingly? If they didn't do it that way then teams would get byes in each round. Most years there's 3-5 teams capable of winning it all, not sure where the hell 12 came from.

I guess the only positive would be we would get higher ranked matchups at the end of the season instead of the bullshyt bowl games we currently get. Every year one or more of the major bowls has a stupid ass match up that only the under dogs fan base is even interested in watching. They would have to eliminate bowl tie-ins so no more 4 or 5 loss big 10/big 12 runner up playing in a game they have no business being in. Also it should drastically cut back on the "opt outs" of the top teams.
Big 12 a$$raped us so unfortunately we are no longer in position to look down on any conference. You can thank Nads for that.
 

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Bowl games have always been meaningless exhibitions. The meaningless part simply stands out more when there is a playoff. All you do by including so many teams is make the conference championships meaningless. The CGs should be the de facto first round of the playoffs. One of the worst things about the NBA for example is how many teams make the playoffs. It simply doesn't need to be that big. When you have 5 or 6 CGs that have the potential to send the winner to the playoff, that's a pretty big bracket already.

There is actually 11 conferences...so...not sure what you are talking about by making conference championships meaningless.
 

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There is actually 11 conferences...so...not sure what you are talking about by making conference championships meaningless.
Reread my first post...send the 4 highest ranked conference champions to a playoff. Those 4 will usually come from the Power 5 conferences but there will be occasions where a Boise St scenario will have them outrank at least 2 of the power 5 champs.

The biggest thing I don't want to see is teams lose conference champ games, or even worse they sit at home idle, and still get to the playoffs. That's just stupid. We don't need any wild cards, and expanding beyond the top 4 teams is just watering it down with crappy teams.
 

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Reread my first post...send the 4 highest ranked conference champions to a playoff. Those 4 will usually come from the Power 5 conferences but there will be occasions where a Boise St scenario will have them outrank at least 2 of the power 5 champs.

The biggest thing I don't want to see is teams lose conference champ games, or even worse they sit at home idle, and still get to the playoffs. That's just stupid. We don't need any wild cards, and expanding beyond the top 4 teams is just watering it down with crappy teams.

Agree with much of this.

And to be clear, you can’t be in this thread pushing for an expanded field, while also chiming in on the SEC East Champs thread calling it embarrassing that we’re celebrating the feat. Even our BB team has always hung Sweet 16 banners because it’s viewed as an accomplishment in that sport due to the way the tournament is structured. If anyone is suddenly ok with an 8 or 12 team playoff, you’re almost guaranteed to be rewarding several Division “champs” with a playoff spot. For accomplishing something you also say has no real value. Those positions don’t reconcile.
 

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ok, since we're not going back to the BCS, which was and still is the best solution, here's what I'd suggest. Its a complete non-starter with the powers of CFB, but I think it would be a blast while still maintaining the sanctity of the regular season.

A five team playoff consisting of the champions of the Power 5 conferences. The champs would be seeded by the Committee. Seeds 1 - 3 get a by. Seeds #5 and #4 would play in mid December, On Jan 1, Seeds 2 & 3 play and the #1 Seed plays the winner of the 4/5 game. Championship game to be played a week or so later.

I wouldn't stop there. I'd use the Bowls to determine conference status in a promotion/relegation process. The top remaining 5 teams from each Power 5 conference would be matched with the top 5 teams from a G5 conference. For example, the SEC could be matched against the AAC. The conference that wins more games moves to Power 5 and playoff eligibility the following year. The losing conference is relegated to G5 status the following year. So, if the AAC can beat the SEC 3-2 in bowl games, their champ the following year would be in the playoff and the SEC champ would not.

Have to win a Power 5 conference to get in the playoff, would give G5 teams a path to the playoff, and If you want bowl games to matter, this would do it.
 

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Reread my first post...send the 4 highest ranked conference champions to a playoff. Those 4 will usually come from the Power 5 conferences but there will be occasions where a Boise St scenario will have them outrank at least 2 of the power 5 champs.

The biggest thing I don't want to see is teams lose conference champ games, or even worse they sit at home idle, and still get to the playoffs. That's just stupid. We don't need any wild cards, and expanding beyond the top 4 teams is just watering it down with crappy teams.

And reread my post where I replied to you saying send the 4 highest ranked conference champions to the playoff with the fact that it should be all the conference champions getting in. So you want just 4 conference champions, then complain that you dont want conf champ losers to get in. I say let all 11 in and give a 1 at large in. Give home field advantage to highest seeds using the poll for the first two rounds...bye to top 4 ranked conf champs in first week...then use the big bowl games for the playoff.

There aint no watering down. Its put up or shut up. There is no complaining or crying about not getting a shot. Its...you won your conference...you are into the playoffs and got a chance...if you lose, stfu and gtho. I dont want to hear about how its unfair about how the sun belt champion gets a chance but the loser in the sec champ game is out because the sec champ is probably going to get a bye week and then home field advantage against the lowest team.

Its more meaningful post season games which supports making the regular season just as important as it ever was.
 

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I don't really want bowl games to matter, because college ball is so much about the players and the players are utterly unpredictable when the regular season is over and the school year is done.
 

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And reread my post where I replied to you saying send the 4 highest ranked conference champions to the playoff with the fact that it should be all the conference champions getting in. So you want just 4 conference champions, then complain that you dont want conf champ losers to get in. I say let all 11 in and give a 1 at large in. Give home field advantage to highest seeds using the poll for the first two rounds...bye to top 4 ranked conf champs in first week...then use the big bowl games for the playoff.

There aint no watering down. Its put up or shut up. There is no complaining or crying about not getting a shot. Its...you won your conference...you are into the playoffs and got a chance...if you lose, stfu and gtho. I dont want to hear about how its unfair about how the sun belt champion gets a chance but the loser in the sec champ game is out because the sec champ is probably going to get a bye week and then home field advantage against the lowest team.

Its more meaningful post season games which supports making the regular season just as important as it ever was.
Please. Allowing San Jose St, UAB, Ball St, Cincinnati, and Coastal Carolina into the playoff is the very definition of watering it down. Its stupid.
 

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Please. Allowing San Jose St, UAB, Ball St, Cincinnati, and Coastal Carolina into the playoff is the very definition of watering it down. Its stupid.

It isn't watering down. Its reality. Whats watering down is Bama, Clemson, OSU and OU/LSU/UGA every single dam year. F all the stupid peach, citrus and weedwacker bowl. Make the post season worth something. Win your conf and you get a ticket into the playoffs. Have a great regular season then you get to beat the F out of a team in the first round or get embarrassed by them. Who knows. Thats the point. Nobody knows what could happen. I would have loved to see Boise St have to play another team after OU and probably get whacked. UCF...take your stupid banner down.
 

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