Any news on Antonio Morrison? He'll return!

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Law98gator;n144035 said:
In a straight 4-3 (that I've read we will be playing... I hope this info is correct) we won't be asking the DE to flex to linebacker in a 3 man front from time to time. In otherwords, straight DE, no buck switching from hand in the dirt to LB on some plays. In a 4-3 the weak end is usually your thinner, faster guy. McCallister should play there. Sherrit behind him? I don't know. Could be Cox. The heavier end will play strong side mostly. Bullard is perfect for that. Ivie, Cox. Willis looks like a strong end (who could also play 3 tech DT) to me.

BTW a small "BUCK" on one side and a thin guy like McCallister playing the other end, when we went with a 3 man front, is not the way we wanted to be, at least not on plays when a run was possible. Injuries/suspensions caused that. In a 3 man front you want 3 heavy dudes. Bama and Ugly essentially played 3 NTs in their 3 man front. Each of these guys are required to control two gaps. It's tough sledding for a guy the size of McCallister and also makes the LBs look bad if the guards are getting clean second level blocks.

Teams that play a straight 4-3 rarely swap DE's based on strong vs weak. Most of the time the switching to strong vs weak is when you get in your hybrid 3-4 stand up olb/DE (Muschamps buck). Not saying this is the gospel, but teams that play the normal 4-3 do not swap DE sides as a rule. There are exceptions though to every rule.
 

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Law98gator;n143918 said:
The sam backer is generally the lighter quicker backer who draws coverage of the TE and sometimes a back or slot guy.
Jelani Jenkins played mostly at will and Lerentee McCray played at Sam in 2011 and 2012? Sam can be interchangeable with will as with Mike because Mike is used to blitz when 4 man front is not getting pressure or when Buck is ineffective(see RoPo) or neutralized by a good tackle on offense. Taylor and Morrison both played at Mike because neither one was stout enough(see Jon Bostic) to play there on every down. They moved Morrison to will on early downs and later in the games this year(notice how much he blitzed the last 3 or 4 games of the season from the Mike). The problem with McMillan is you have to have keen instinct to play there(WILL) and part of that is knowing when to drop deeper into coverage and when to read short outside( think Jelani Jenkins, the best pass coverage and sideline to sideline LBer I have seen play at UF). Jenkins would assume the responsibility of the Mike when Bostic would blitz, in his last 2 seasons because he eventually put on enough size and strength to do so. He always had the speed and instinct to be good at Will.
 

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Jelani enrolled at UF when he was 16 years old. He was always blazing fast. He's about 250 lbs now with the Dolphins. I don't ever remember him being that big at UF.

As fast as he was, I don't ever remember him in the offensive backfield that often. He was a talking machine though.
 

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Jelani enrolled at UF when he was 16 years old. He was always blazing fast. He's about 250 lbs now with the Dolphins. I don't ever remember him being that big at UF.

As fast as he was, I don't ever remember him in the offensive backfield that often. He was a talking machine though.

Jelani wasn't called on to blitz because he was too good sideline to sideline and in pass coverage. He was up to 235# his last year at UF. He was one of the few players here that steadily gained weight and became a better player every year he was here. Jaye Howard was another on the defensive line.
 

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Law98gator;n143918 said:
The sam backer is generally the lighter quicker backer who draws coverage of the TE and sometimes a back or slot guy. His skillset looks good to me for that position in what limited time Ive seen him. Obviously you'd like someone strong against the run also, but in the real world you tend to have guys that are better at this or that. Teams don't tendency their runs to the strong side like they used to do though and pass catching TES are in vogue with every team but Muschimp's.

Think Brian Crum as prototypical Sam --and under rated Imo. Neiron has been excellent playing sam. Our most famous recent Sam backer, Jevon Kearse, was actually quite poor at the position. He wasn't particularly good against the run and was terrible in pass coverage. He was a blitzing mofo though, thats why the moved him to 4-3 weak end in the pros.

The other "rules" are that the mike is your best run stuffer and probably the biggest. (I'd expect this to be Anzalone soon.) Will is the other "middle" backer in most schemes. Sam is usually up on the line or at least closer. Will backer-- think Earl Everett or Jelani-- is usually a bit faster than the mike bc he has more coverage duties. Of course not every scheme is the same and we are adopting a new 4-3 base.

Also, kids don't come from molds and sometimes you end up with a Mike Taylor or Antonio who really aren't big enough to be a great run stoppers and aren't fast enough to cover. (Love Taylor. He plays bigger and faster than he is, but he is physically limited. Antonio is a big hitter but also limited in coverage ability and size. He also seems to have gap responsibility issues. It looks great if you guess correctly and jump the right gap but looks like a long run if you don't.)

I didn't notice McMillan to be weak against the run but I wasn't watching that closely and frankly only noticed him a few times. The ill-informed sometimes think that the first person to arrive at a receiver is the one who got burned. It isn't the case. In today's Saban- inspired zone defenses, the backers have more roles than simply dropping to a certain depth and flapping their arms like most of us did in middle school if we played zone at all.

Generally, the backer first is expected to disrupt the seam route first, usually with contact, then the curl or crosser, then the flat, in a matchup type zone using basketball terminology (basketball thin ice for me). There are probably other schemes but that's the general very basic Saban scheme as I understand it. Here's a decent link but understand that this is just some basic info regarding one page of a thousand page playbook. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/8/...verage-part-ii

Some teams remove the mike from the field in the nickle, some remove the sam. I thought I saw us removing Taylor (the slowest) and the sam moving inside. Or maybe our terminology is that the sam is removed, Antonio moved to mike and the sam moved to will. Same difference.

The announcer highlighted this to an extent noting if Taylor was on the field on a passing down, expect zone coverage. If a lighter sam backer is moved inside, presumably the coaches expect pass. If it instead ends up being a run, it's to be expected that the outside backer might struggle more with the second level blocks from the C or G.

That's my take, fwiw.
Wow!! Showed me how little I actually know about LBs and what they do.
 

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Law98gator;n144041 said:
OK. That makes sense given that the new DC is also a Saban disciple. I don't remember where I saw the 4-3 thing, but it did catch my eye.

Cece's a smaller dude (by DE standards) so he'd definitely play buck. He reminds me of RoPo. McCallister would play buck/week end also he's not particularly good at coverage. And he's certainly not big enough to play strong side end, especially in a 3 man front and especially vs SEC OLs. He's been a bit of a pass rush specialist for 3rd and long at that other end position. I haven't seen enough of Sherit. He's also too small to play end in a 3 man front.

Obviously, it's not all size and body type. If that were the case, John Demps would have been our best LB in history.


Nice posts in this thread. When it's obvious you are not bitching about something, I actually take the time to read your posts (I still haven't figured out the 'ignore' list, but was just not reading your posts). I figured with the season over and JD transferring, maybe it's safe to take a peek at Law's posts. Just thought I'd mention that you seem much less..................................harsh. Hope it lasts. :wink:
 

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I read on a Gator news site that Morrison would be getting an MRI today or tomorrow. I cant find where I saw it or else I would link it, but that is the only thing I have seen so far.
 

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Seems like info on Antonio is getting lost in the coaching transition.
 

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Law98gator;n143918 said:
The sam backer is generally the lighter quicker backer who draws coverage of the TE and sometimes a back or slot guy. His skillset looks good to me for that position in what limited time Ive seen him. Obviously you'd like someone strong against the run also, but in the real world you tend to have guys that are better at this or that. Teams don't tendency their runs to the strong side like they used to do though and pass catching TES are in vogue with every team but Muschimp's.

Think Brian Crum as prototypical Sam --and under rated Imo. Neiron has been excellent playing sam. Our most famous recent Sam backer, Jevon Kearse, was actually quite poor at the position. He wasn't particularly good against the run and was terrible in pass coverage. He was a blitzing mofo though, thats why the moved him to 4-3 weak end in the pros.

The other "rules" are that the mike is your best run stuffer and probably the biggest. (I'd expect this to be Anzalone soon.) Will is the other "middle" backer in most schemes. Sam is usually up on the line or at least closer. Will backer-- think Earl Everett or Jelani-- is usually a bit faster than the mike bc he has more coverage duties. Of course not every scheme is the same and we are adopting a new 4-3 base.

Also, kids don't come from molds and sometimes you end up with a Mike Taylor or Antonio who really aren't big enough to be a great run stoppers and aren't fast enough to cover. (Love Taylor. He plays bigger and faster than he is, but he is physically limited. Antonio is a big hitter but also limited in coverage ability and size. He also seems to have gap responsibility issues. It looks great if you guess correctly and jump the right gap but looks like a long run if you don't.)

I didn't notice McMillan to be weak against the run but I wasn't watching that closely and frankly only noticed him a few times. The ill-informed sometimes think that the first person to arrive at a receiver is the one who got burned. It isn't the case. In today's Saban- inspired zone defenses, the backers have more roles than simply dropping to a certain depth and flapping their arms like most of us did in middle school if we played zone at all.

Generally, the backer first is expected to disrupt the seam route first, usually with contact, then the curl or crosser, then the flat, in a matchup type zone using basketball terminology (basketball thin ice for me). There are probably other schemes but that's the general very basic Saban scheme as I understand it. Here's a decent link but understand that this is just some basic info regarding one page of a thousand page playbook. https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/8/...verage-part-ii

Some teams remove the mike from the field in the nickle, some remove the sam. I thought I saw us removing Taylor (the slowest) and the sam moving inside. Or maybe our terminology is that the sam is removed, Antonio moved to mike and the sam moved to will. Same difference.

The announcer highlighted this to an extent noting if Taylor was on the field on a passing down, expect zone coverage. If a lighter sam backer is moved inside, presumably the coaches expect pass. If it instead ends up being a run, it's to be expected that the outside backer might struggle more with the second level blocks from the C or G.

That's my take, fwiw.

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8802Gator;n145027 said:
I read on a Gator news site that Morrison would be getting an MRI today or tomorrow. I cant find where I saw it or else I would link it, but that is the only thing I have seen so far.

Andrew Spivey ‏@AndrewSpiveyGC 5h5 hours ago Sources tell me that LB Antonio Morrison is still weighing his options for next year. I'm also told that Morrison will have an MRI today.
 

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GatorJ;n145207 said:
Andrew Spivey ‏@AndrewSpiveyGC 5h5 hours ago Sources tell me that LB Antonio Morrison is still weighing his options for next year. I'm also told that Morrison will have an MRI today.

Morrison had a good year, but he strikes me as a guy who needed a really good Pro Day and a really good NFL Combine in order for him to even be drafted. I doubt he'll even be able to participate in either at this point with the knee. So, I'd be very surprised if he declares for the draft. I think the smart thing to do would be come back for his senior year.

But as we all know, these kids don't always do the smart thing.
 

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I agree DC. He really needs to work on quickness and covering skills. He would have trouble covering a turtle.
 

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GatorJ;n145207 said:
Andrew Spivey ‏@AndrewSpiveyGC 5h5 hours ago Sources tell me that LB Antonio Morrison is still weighing his options for next year. I'm also told that Morrison will have an MRI today.
Thanks. I knew I read that somewhere. Also great news on him coming back. Win-win imo. he needed more time in college and we would have been hurting at LB without him.
 

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HUGE news on Morrison coming back, maybe even bigger than Bullard coming back because of the number of bodies at LB. This gives us two very experienced LB's coming back in Morrison and Jarrad Davis, to go along with the great d-line and secondary.

If we function on offense, the East is not out of the question in year 1.
 

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