GNC - Oregon AG Going After Them for Spiking their Supplements

[TheDouglas78]

The NCAA wont care how or why.... they only care that it was in Grier's (piss??) test.

Just go back and look at the case of that UGA olineman. They DONT care.

This story is interesting, and might be a wrinkle in our case, but will have no impact in the end.

^This, since he didn't get it tested, they don't care where he got it. Or if it was spiked.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Me thinks not everything is making it on the labels. If that's the case, the trainer check would be pointless.

The blame would switch from the player to the trainers/med staff if he got it checked. But by his own admission he didn't have it checked. If he would have had it checked, then it would be on the med staff.

 

[divits]

It is amazing to me that most of these "supplements" remain free of FDA regulation. If you were to even change the packaging on a pharmaceutical you have to spend tons of money and time getting approval from the FDA. Yet these supplements say pretty much anything they want about what they do and get away with it. Makes no sense.

 

[GatorJ]

^This, since he didn't get it tested, they don't care where he got it. Or if it was spiked.

I don't think that they'll be able to overturn the suspension. Just the length of it. Probably through arbitration.

 

[TheDouglas78]

I don't think that they'll be able to overturn the suspension. Just the length of it. Probably through arbitration.

I expect the length to be decreased regardless of this information. Wouldn't be the first person to get a decrease in drug suspensions, now might be the first for a PED suspension. If I were to guess, I think he will be available week 1 2016, NCAA trying to sway some public opinion in the wake of some nasty court loses (ed obannon) and public perception.

 

[bradgator2]

As an additional side note to this story, I believe big pharma is dumping money into google to help their cause. I have a really close friend who has a vitamin/supplement online business. These are not exercise or PED related products, but stuff like "joint health" or "chronic inflammation relief" and they contain celery seed, ginger extract, green tea extract.... crap like that. They can essentially make whatever claim they want and nobody is looking over their shoulder to make sure they are actually putting the things in their product they claim to be. Anyway, they left Amazon years ago because they felt Amazon was charging too much. Google just notified them that Google is going to stop showing results for any supplement search results in the near future. Is google doing this because they care about our health... or somebody paid them to do it?

 

[Ray Finkle]

The blame would switch from the player to the trainers/med staff if he got it checked. But by his own admission he didn't have it checked. If he would have had it checked, then it would be on the med staff.

Which would not only look worse on the University, but rules state if you piss hot for PEDs you sit. So he'd more than likely be in the same boat and UF would take even more flack

 

[TheDouglas78]

Which would not only look worse on the University, but rules state if you piss hot for PEDs you sit. So he'd more than likely be in the same boat and UF would take even more flack

What do you know about hot piss?

 

[rogdochar]

Punishment is to teach the violator that he cannot take X,Y, or Z drug components. If the player relies on an
ingredient label that purposely hides an illegal ingredient, that player should be considered less culpable, if
culpable at all. ??

The crux of suspension-length should come down to the player's recognition of the ingredients being questionable
and not checking on such doubtful ingredient(s). Missing half next season could damage Grier's professional earning
power (draft position), especially since Grier, next year, with great performance would be eligible for an NFL contract$
and up/down $igning bonu$. The NCAA should be disallowed to harm or impede any citizen's access to life, liberty
and pursuit of happiness = and I feel very unhappy now.

On the supplement industry: gotta be careful when accusing Big Pharma about trying to sabotage supplement sales,
because 10-15 years ago Bayer purchased one of the leading Supplement Companies. I guess they realized that that
drug industry was way more profitable than wrangling in honesty with FDA requirements. By this I bet other Big Pharma
have followed Bayer's lead.

Storywise, 60-Minutes did an expose' on a "holistic" supplement company. Their biggest seller was a "drug" promising
to solve or boost some health property. The main ingredient was "goose liver" extract. Now, the holistic philosophy says
that you "bombard" the ailing body with the smallest amount of a chemical that you are resistant to in order to activate
your natural resistance to "whatever". When the company prez was pressed he admitted that they got $94,000 out of
one goose liver (after 60-Minutes showed him a whistle-blower's internal documents tracing their process on paper) !
On the plus side PETA was very happy with them.

 

[bradgator2]

Rog, you are using common sense. The NCAA does not use common sense.

 

[GatorJB]

It's an interesting article for sure, but it is still unknown if Grier was affected by this at all. That said, if he did go to GNC and unknowingly took a "spiked" supplement, then that would probably help get the suspension reduced.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I don't remember anyone saying he checked with compliance, got an approval, took the OTC, then pissed hot because of an unlisted additive. The leaked story, right or wrong, was that he took an OTC, supposedly something suggested by a clerk after he made a regular purchase, and forgot to call compliance or just assumed it was ok since it was OTC.

You guys are grasping and flailing.

 

[t-gator]

The initial reports were from T

Hey, i got that info from your mom. Take it up with her.

 

[GatorJ]

Hey, i got that info from your mom. Take it up with her.

 

[alcoholica]

I don't remember anyone saying he checked with compliance, got an approval, took the OTC, then pissed hot because of an unlisted additive. The leaked story, right or wrong, was that he took an OTC, supposedly something suggested by a clerk after he made a regular purchase, and forgot to call compliance or just assumed it was ok since it was OTC.

You guys are grasping and flailing.

I agree, but I think a lot of the speculation goes around a couple assumptions. 1) that no one really knows what happened, so all the "leaked" stories don't necessarily apply 2) that Grier would not knowingly take a banned substance. So I think most here are hoping that he took something that was not labeled and spiked with a banned substance. I don't think that will ultimately be the case. I think we as a program used up most of our luck to get Mac and possibly the SEC East in his first year.

On a side note, I keep hearing people referring to him taking a drug to help his labido. Has this actually been rumored and have a chance of being true? Or is it just posters having fun? Because I would not need anything to help out if I had the hot chicks chasing me...let alone when I was in college.

 

[NVGator]

On a side note, I keep hearing people referring to him taking a drug to help his labido. Has this actually been rumored and have a chance of being true? Or is it just posters having fun? Because I would not need anything to help out if I had the hot chicks chasing me...let alone when I was in college.

I've been the person consistently saying this. In the beginning I was just saying it for fun. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I thought it to be true.

First of all, I don't even know if something like a Viagra or Extenze would even trip a piss test but it's a thought. We haven't heard what he took so there's the idea of embarrassment. Kids taking Ex, why not a Viagra to boost the sex? Not because it's needed but because it might be more intense.

But, until I hear different, I'll continue to believe it.

 

[alcoholica]

I've been the person consistently saying this. In the beginning I was just saying it for fun. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I thought it to be true.

First of all, I don't even know if something like a Viagra or Extenze would even trip a piss test but it's a thought. We haven't heard what he took so there's the idea of embarrassment. Kids taking Ex, why not a Viagra to boost the sex? Not because it's needed but because it might be more intense.

But, until I hear different, I'll continue to believe it.

I think those drugs are supposed to increase blood flow and circulation. When I think of that, I think of increased heart rate. When you think of the uppers that cause this reaction, i'd think these supplements would likely trip a PED similar to ephedrine or similar drugs.

 

[rogdochar]

.... So The Moregans demanded that the NCAA to give them access to the CSI lab that checked his piss?
As far as somebody turning Grier in : the rumor is neighbors complained to the NCAA about the screaming of
"Oh Yeah, OH Yeah" coming from Grier's house at all hours??

 

[NavetG8r]

"Oh Yeah, OH Yeah" coming from Grier's house at all hours??

That's any teenager's house with an X-box.

 

[rogdochar]

That's any teenager's house with an X-box.

That'd be a good place for an X-tattoo = X marks the spot ... at least once a month ?