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I'm still convinced if covid never happened we would have seen a small market crash in late 2020, into 2021....but the exact opposite happened.

Virtually every market is wildly different if Covid never happens. And the wealth gap probably tripled. Plus we fielded our best offense that year. I actually can’t wait for the next pandemic.
 

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Not mortgage related. But really interesting. The deep south now contributes more to the GDP than the NE corridor:

 

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Amazing how some of these A$$ Clowns like Chamath see the light after they have banked MIL's or BIL's.
 

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Who would have ever thought that HIGHER RATES would be the reason for increasing property values until very recently? But it appears that is actually happening due to current homeowners not wanting to give up their 2.5-4.0% interest rates.....it's keeping listing off the market and putting upward pressure on prices....:crazy:
 

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Who would have ever thought that HIGHER RATES would be the reason for increasing property values until very recently? But it appears that is actually happening due to current homeowners not wanting to give up their 2.5-4.0% interest rates.....it's keeping listing off the market and putting upward pressure on prices....:crazy:
until there is so much upward pressure they'd be stupid not to take all that equity and run.
 

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until there is so much upward pressure they'd be stupid not to take all that equity and run.
Most "working class" people(say 350-450k property value owners) are having to borrow their equity to pay off their credit cards.....we average paying off 4-8 credit accounts and probably an average of 30-70K in CC debt on each HELOC we close, 10-12 a day, 5 days a week for the last 18 months.....BTW divorce buyouts are increasing steadily over the last 6 months or so(a sure sign of compounding debt).....meanwhile rich pricks are taking out 400K-1M construction loans and 2nd's to build on lots they own or do massive remodels......that should tell everyone something about the widening wealth gap that is snowballing quickly.
 

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Here is another one. Click on property history if you like but house was listed in July 2022 for just under 1.3M. That was exactly one month after what is now known as the peak of the Kung Flu house madness. It did not sell obviously. Fast forward 12 months and it is now Relisted for 875K. Quick math says roughly 33% reduction. Funny thing is if they had the house in this condition in 2021 or early 22 and listed it, I guarantee some jacka$$ would have given 7 figs at that time. But someone who likes that "modern" look will probably give in the 8's. FWIW other homes similar in layout and size in same neighborhood are now listed in the 6's.

 

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Here is another one. Click on property history if you like but house was listed in July 2022 for just under 1.3M. That was exactly one month after what is now known as the peak of the Kung Flu house madness. It did not sell obviously. Fast forward 12 months and it is now Relisted for 875K. Quick math says roughly 33% reduction. Funny thing is if they had the house in this condition in 2021 or early 22 and listed it, I guarantee some jacka$$ would have given 7 figs at that time. But someone who likes that "modern" look will probably give in the 8's. FWIW other homes similar in layout and size in same neighborhood are now listed in the 6's.

The flooring in that place will cause positional vertigo.
 

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Here is a very prime example of what is going on here, especially the properties bought by investors/contractors. rehabbed and now they are hoping to break even, at best. You can see this if you scroll down to Property History. But I will summarize. Bought Summer 2022 for 355K, the national Kung Flu top. Rehabbed. Listed for 650K, dropped to 615K, dropped to 595K, dropped to 560K, dropped to 520K, now 480K. A 20+% price drop from first list. Trust me, knowing this community and the condition it is currently in, had this been listed 2021, would have brought 600K.

Update on this property. Just went under contract with a list price of $409K. So will close for somewhere around 40% below original ask. Take out the rehab construction costs, carrying costs this will be a decent sized loser.
 

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