Muschamp was a bad hire from the start

[soflagator]

Mehhh, he said the right things. "Multiple offense" that is "balanced" and all that. He was either lying or has no idea what the words meant.... however, he said the right things (and I'm sure he said the right things to Fooley).

He produced a good defense. All he had to do was stay out of the offense. By 2012, it was clear he had no intention of doing that.

BTW I'm still not sold on "HC experience" as being a big factor. There are plenty of OCs Id rather have over some dud HC who's perhaps managed to have a good year here or there.

Listen don't sweat it. Sure you're down 2-0 to me with JB and then WM. But you're still in this thing.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

and other than the bad final season at Texas.

He had a bad final year at Awbarn, too.

 

[88drgator]

The biggest black mark against him when he was hired was the lack of HC experience. Other than that, the pro-style offense was the big trend at that point in time because of what Alabama was doing to everyone with it, he was known as a strict disciplinarian (which we desperately needed), he was an elite DC (which also, at the time, the prevailing trend was hiring defensive-minded coaches), and other than the bad final season at Texas, he had won everywhere he'd been. The fact that he didn't have HC experience made him a risky pick, but other than that, he was always very well thought of as a coach.

But who am I kidding, nobody's going to think rationally about how things were four years ago. Waste of my key strokes.

Were there no other choices? Maybe Foley tried and WM is the best he could find

 

[T REX]

Drink bleach...I laughed. Heard it! Rerun. I hated the hire. The guy hates the forward pass which is contrary to most Gator fans(yeah I'm late 80's but SOS was my guy). I think he's a horrible coach. The guy at GSU outcoached him in his house. Disgusting.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Listen don't sweat it. Sure you're down 2-0 to me with JB and then WM. But you're still in this thing.

What are you talking about re: JB? I don't exactly remember you pimping Trey Burton or Jordan Reed. It's not like we had any options. We weren't refusing to play better QBs and watching them transfer away. I feel off the bandwagon when it was obvious he wasn't going to develop. I was on the bandwagon when he was being called a top QB by people like Gary Danielson and others. I wanted to run Daz over with a wagon when he said we should run the option with JB.

Besides, I called our offensive tanking years prior. It was obviously coming when we stopped or were unable to recruit real WRs, RBs, and QBs and got 30-50 lbs undersized at every single position.

 

[-THE DUDE-]

I hated the hire from the start...absolutely thought it was the next zook...i was wrong and it was worse. I wish i was wrong and he would have become our Stoops.

 

[88drgator]

Nice stroll down memory laneldman:

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I hated the hire from the start...absolutely thought it was the next zook...i was wrong and it was worse.

Man is that the truth.

I honestly don't know how a man could be so clueless about offense yet so good at defense.

 

[TheBigClaw]

Heard on the radio the other day before the USC game that if Florida had South Carolina's offense and Florida's defense you have a national championship caliber team. Sadly Muschamp pissed away all his opportunities

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

Man is that the truth.

I honestly don't know how a man could be so clueless about offense yet so good at defense.

Well, his job was always to stop the offense............

 

[88drgator]

What are you talking about re: JB? I don't exactly remember you pimping Trey Burton or Jordan Reed. It's not like we had any options. We weren't refusing to play better QBs and watching them transfer away. I feel off the bandwagon when it was obvious he wasn't going to develop. I was on the bandwagon when he was being called a top QB by people like Gary Danielson and others. I wanted to run Daz over with a wagon when he said we should run the option with JB.

Besides, I called our offensive tanking years prior. It was obviously coming when we stopped or were unable to recruit real WRs, RBs, and QBs and got 30-50 lbs undersized at every single position.

Confucius say "when Sofla have jock itch, don't help him scratch"

 

[Okeechobee Joe]

Muschamp's hire definitely did not cause a lot of enthusiasm among the fan base. It seemed that Gator fans were largely in two camps: one camp being I'll take a wait and see attitude and hope for the best and the second camp being I don't like the hire and it ain't going to work. I think this was largely, not just because of Muschamp's lack of head coaching experience, but was due to his conservative offensive philosophy. Contrast this reaction to when Steve Spurrier was hired and the wild elation when Spurrier stood at the podium of his introductory press conference and told the fans that the Gators would throw the ball around the ballpark and would lead the SEC in passing. This was Muschamp's downfall from the beginning.

 

[KCgator]

I never liked the hire. I wanted an offensive minded guy. We always had good defenses under Spurrier, Zook, and Meyer. I wasn't worried about the defense. The defensive minded guys are a dime a dozen.

I'll give you a second to rethink that statement.

 

[t-gator]

Mehhh, he said the right things. "Multiple offense" that is "balanced" and all that. He was either lying or has no idea what the words meant.... however, he said the right things (and I'm sure he said the right things to Fooley).



BTW I'm still not sold on "HC experience" as being a big factor. There are plenty of OCs Id rather have over some dud HC who's perhaps managed to have a good year here or there.

This.

 

[t-gator]

I never liked the hire. I wanted an offensive minded guy. We always had good defenses under Spurrier, Zook, and Meyer. I wasn't worried about the defense. The defensive minded guys are a dime a dozen.

These were my exact thoughts

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I'll give you a second to rethink that statement.

Yeah, I let that one go. Ox is has PTSD I think.

Here's two names for you: Zook and Hoke.

 

[BMF]

Not sure if I agree with that. It's easy to point to a blanket rule that a college coach of a major program HAS to have HC experience at a smaller school first but there are successful coaches who didn't cut their teeth at a small school first.

I agree. There are plenty of examples of successful first time head coaches at major programs:

Mark Richt
Bob Stoops
Jimbo Fisher
Phil Fulmer
Mark Helfrich
James Franklin

 

[WobbleGator]

I agree. There are plenty of examples of successful first time head coaches at major programs:

James Franklin

Vanderbilt is a major program? :headscratch:

 

[biggator6]

It just isn't a good idea for a SEC team to hire first time head coaches. It is so competitive that there is very little leeway to make mistakes. Every coach will make mistakes but it usually takes experience to know how to minimize them.

Except for Mullen, Malzahn, richt, stoops.. All first timers.

 

[88drgator]

UF is a top 5 gig. Only Stoops is a valid exception. Jimbo was practically the HC within FSU and did not move to an unknown situation. Malzahn was a head coach before AU. Richt, with almost nothing to show, proves the point.