TheBigClaw;n298589 said:
Good news.. Punishment is still to severe even at that. Ncaa is willing to forgive you if you beat/rape a woman or steal Crablegs but not if you make a mistake and take an OTC Supplement ?
"beat/rape a woman or steal Crablegs" doesn't lead to an advantage on the field, no performance enhancement unless you plan on playing in the lingerie league or for Publix's company picnic teams.
Sarcasm aside, the 12 month ban is excessive given this case, IMO. Though as others have alluded to, and with what I've read elsewhere, it is a fairly cut and dried rule without a lot of space for interpretation by an appeal committee.
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Scott512;n298992 said:
It's sickening what the penalty is for Grier. He made a stupid mistake and gets a full year. Rest of the season? Okay. Full year? BS. Too bad he didn't steal, assault. allegedly...you know what. No I'm glad he didn't do any of that stuff. And seeing Cook go beastmode for FSU this season after what he may have gotten away with annoys the hell out of me.
Let's flip this for a moment and believe it was LF7 that accidentally took an OTC that suspended him for a year. We'd all be a bit giddy inside that he wouldn't play the rest of the season, would hope it extends to game 7 of next year, and there would have been a hope that it meant they forfeited all games earlier this season in which he played. How much cry would there be from non-LSU fans that a 12 month ban is out of whack? That the school is cheating and gets what they deserve?
Devil's Advocate says Cook wasn't 'caught', and as you say 'he may have gotten away' with something. As much as I hate FSU, Jamies, and all things Garnet and Gold (to extend to Cook), unless convicted and found guilty there is not a lot of stones that can be thrown, IMO.
Harsh penalty for WG needs to be shorted. This is an NCAA area to address. Dipshts that rape/abuse women needs to be addressed by the police, which unfortunately, do not exist in Tally. This is not an NCAA issue unless, I believe, they earn a felony conviction (not just accusation).
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Back to what I've read, and others alluded to - the appeal process is outlined in simple fashion. The athlete, school representative, and whomever else they bring in are put on a phone on one end and the committee hears them on the other end. The committee doesn't want to know the athlete, school, or sport. There is no consideration for the kid's character, honest mistakes, difficult home life, or anything. It revolves, quite simply, around an error in testing (not a course of review given WG's admission), or a lack of player awareness (did the school educate, provide resources, could the kid have legitimately been naive enough to make this mistake or was there reasonable steps taken to prevent such a mistake). I hope for the best, but have a hard time believing our UAA compliance team hasn't gone out of their way in making sure kids know what is banned and making every possible attempt to have education and resources available. This is where I struggle to see the 12 months shortened. Maybe this was a UAA test which came up positive and was reported to NCAA, such that if the UAA wasn't so aggressive it would have been out of WG's system by the time the NCAA got around to testing him (if they ever tested him at all). This is pure conjecture on my part, but maybe this is the angle getting pitched of "NCAA wouldn't have known. Kid made a mistake (NCAA doesn't care) and UAA found it and reported it (see how good we are about these things!)" But even that doesn't feel like it would get much traction. As I say, I'm hopeful, but not optimistic.