Where are 5 star players?

[Marianna-FL_Gator]

Well I guess this year will probably determine if he gets a 4th season or not. If we end up with 4 losses again I doubt he survives after next season but hopefully I am wrong on that.

I'm hoping for the best this season and praying for us to close strong because next yr is going to be ruff. We've been replacing 4/5* with 2/3* guys so this will be the last yr we have a Championship Caliber defense (to carry us) for awhile. I have ZERO faith the offense will ever carry us anywhere at this point!

 

[deuce]

It's not about bringing five star recruits in. It's about bringing top recruits.

Last year, we brought four of the top 25 recruits in the state of Florida. We used to bring in over half of them. Sometimes 3/4s of them. This was done consistently under Zuck, Spurrier, Meyer, and chump.

Sorry but you are wrong. With the number of Big Schools recruiting in Florida, we are lucky to get 1/4 of them. That would be 6, give or take....... I know you pine for the old days when all we had to worry about were FSU and Miami but those days are gone forever. Even if we win several Championships we will never get to 1/2, much less 3/4 on a regular basis.

 

[TheDouglas78]

UF 2006 and 2007 recruiting classes might have something to say about that.

Maybe the 06 class, but 07 doesn't really get into this conversation. By the third recruiting class, the relationships would be there. Meyer also kept some previous coaches like Strong which help maintain relationships. I think this staff has dropped the ball in recruiting, and relationship (which is still an understatement). But 2017 is a year where relationship excuse has absolutely no barring, if you haven't established them now, what have you been doing the previous two cycles.

 

[TheDouglas78]

LMAO

Dude we aren't getting top talent because we can't recruit...you're either high or have been huffing paint for hours to believe anything outside of that. Even with 0 offense, Chimp still was able to bring better recruits.

On Defense, for the most part. There is a reason we had only 6 offensive linemen starting the 2015 cycle. Chump did recruit RB very well, under recruited WR, QB, OL, and TE.... Right now Mac has under recruited OL, DT, LB, and DB (which might be due to the surplus we have at the position).

 

[gatormandan]

No excuses, pull a top class or pay the price.

 

[chferg]

On Defense, for the most part. There is a reason we had only 6 offensive linemen starting the 2015 cycle. Chump did recruit RB very well, under recruited WR, QB, OL, and TE.... Right now Mac has under recruited OL, DT, LB, and DB (which might be due to the surplus we have at the position).

You and I both know defense wins championships. Doesn't matter how many points you can score if you don't stop anyone.

 

[TheDouglas78]

You and I both know defense wins championships. Doesn't matter how many points you can score if you don't stop anyone.

That is the reason Chump is the only coach in the last 50 years to lose two games while holding the opponent to 120 yards or less of total offense? I believe Defense is the basis of a championship caliber team, but without an offense what good is a defense. 2013 we had a highly rated defense at a 4-8 record.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

the fact that Maryland has as many top FL players committed as we do proves you don't need to win big to get talent, hell Maryland shows you don't even need to win much at all.

 

[chferg]

the fact that Maryland has as many top FL players committed as we do proves you don't need to win big to get talent, hell Maryland shows you don't even need to win much at all.

But, but, but......they "built" relationships../s

 

[Durty South Swamp]

deuce loves being mediocre

 

[chferg]

That is the reason Chump is the only coach in the last 50 years to lose two games while holding the opponent to 120 yards or less of total offense? I believe Defense is the basis of a championship caliber team, but without an offense what good is a defense. 2013 we had a highly rated defense at a 4-8 record.

I think we agree we have to score. I'm just saying we can't look like a Little-12 team and expect it to work in the SEC

 

[TheDouglas78]

I think we agree we have to score. I'm just saying we can't look like a Little-12 team and expect it to work in the SEC

As I put in the break down, Mac has failed and underperformed at key defensive positions, just like Chump underperformed at key offensive positions.

 

[GatorRaz]

LMAO

Dude we aren't getting top talent because we can't recruit...you're either high or have been huffing paint for hours to believe anything outside of that. Even with 0 offense, Chimp still was able to bring better recruits.

Chimp was a name. He was a well known SEC coordinator spent some time in the NFL. That carries a lot of weight w' "kids!" How did he do w' offensive talent??? Bust, thats how. Just like Harbaugh, NFL head coach.... I guess we should just fire Mac and set us back like UT. Good call, not!

 

[chferg]

Chimp was a name. He was a well known SEC coordinator spent some time in the NFL. That carries a lot of weight w' "kids!" How did he do w' offensive talent??? Bust, thats how. Just like Harbaugh, NFL head coach.... I guess we should just fire Mac and set us back like UT. Good call, not!

You can keep living in your fantasy land man. You probably defended Chimp to the end also.

Mac was a well know SEC-Coordinator also, did you forget that? He won a Natty with Saban. Yet, that doesn't carry any weight.

If you think classes outside the top-10 are going to win us anything big you're really clueless.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

You don't have to win, win big, win championships, be a great coach, or even a likeable guy to win on the recruiting trail. There is so much historical evidence to prove this point I don't even understand why people still argue any of them. Muschamp couldn't win a game of tidly winks but he always recruited well. College football is littered with coaches who suck on gameday but always get good talent. You also don't have to be a nice guy; saban is probably the biggest prick in CFB and followed closely by Harbaugh but they kill it on the trail.

Please lets stop pushing the false narrative that you have to win BEFORE big recruits will come, its just nonsense. Does winning help sway them? Yes. Is it a requirement? No. You are either a good recruiter or you are not, some of these other elements can help but you sink or swim on the trail based off your ability to connect and pull in players, not your coaching record, not your schools tradition, or anything else.

Facility upgrades, cool uniforms, sexy school locales... all these things are great and can help but at the end of the day the gross majority of the effort is placed solely on the coaching staff's ability to connect with and persuade guys to come. We have kids leaving the beautiful southeast and all the bikini coeds to go to freaking cold, wet, dreary ohio or freaking freezing, sh*tty Michigan. Let's just be honest about the situation please.

 

[GatorRaz]

You can keep living in your fantasy land man. You probably defended Chimp to the end also.

Mac was a well know SEC-Coordinator also, did you forget that? He won a Natty with Saban. Yet, that doesn't carry any weight.

If you think classes outside the top-10 are going to win us anything big you're really clueless.

Didn't forget that. However the kids we recruit now were like 10 or 11years old then and Saban doesn't allow assistants to talk to the media so they had no idea about Mac. For the record I tried to pull for Muschamp because he was our coach. However I didn't agree w' hiring a guy w' zero head coach experience and that ended up biting us in the end. The biggest mistake was Foley giving him an extension when Dan Quinn is the reason we were so successful in year 2 under chimp. After the Sugarbowl beat down I knew he had to go.

Let me ask you this Ferg, what should we do? Should we fire Mac, if so who we gonna get?

 

[Concrete Helmet]

I think the staff is behind no doubt. Why I'm not sure . They've done an acceptable job in in overall roster balance with the exception of DT and possibly LBer. We all want to see 5 stars galore but I'd also like to see them nab "that guy" on offense. Regardless if it's a RB,WR or QB, this type of player helps hide some other areas in need of upgrading. In other words we need a game breaker in a bad way....

 

[t-gator]

LMAO

Dude we aren't getting top talent because we can't recruit...you're either high or have been huffing paint for hours to believe anything outside of that. Even with 0 offense, Chimp still was able to bring better recruits.

I would also like to note that Georgia has a shcit offense and they're having zero problems recruiting.

 

[chferg]

Didn't forget that. However the kids we recruit now were like 10 or 11years old then and Saban doesn't allow assistants to talk to the media so they had no idea about Mac. For the record I tried to pull for Muschamp because he was our coach. However I didn't agree w' hiring a guy w' zero head coach experience and that ended up biting us in the end. The biggest mistake was Foley giving him an extension when Dan Quinn is the reason we were so successful in year 2 under chimp. After the Sugarbowl beat down I knew he had to go.

Let me ask you this Ferg, what should we do? Should we fire Mac, if so who we gonna get?

You can't fire him with his current record but let's revisit question this a couple years down the road.

Do I think Mac is ever going to get us elite? No.

 

[Double Gator Dad]

How is saying we have underperformed in the state of Florida making an excuse?

Read the email string and you will see comments about Mac coming in late, etc. have hurt his efforts not to mention the long line of apologists that continue to ignore the obvious.
Does every post need to be challenged by you or is today a bad day?