We Talkin Bout The State of the Program!

[EuroGator]

Which 2 years did we win 10 games?

You know exactly what he was referring to. I thought, "well, not technically," but I easily understood his point. Are you afraid that if you allow that assertion to go unchecked that your arguments against Mac would be invalid? I think that your ideas are plenty secure to not squabble over petty things.

If we would have played Presbyterian last year, what would you estimate were our chances of winning?

 

[MJMGator]

You know exactly what he was referring to. I thought, "well, not technically," but I easily understood his point. Are you afraid that if you allow that assertion to go unchecked that your arguments against Mac would be invalid? I think that your ideas are plenty secure to not squabble over petty things.

If we would have played Presbyterian last year, what would you estimate were our chances of winning?

If you're going to argue a point, I think it's important to use accurate info and not make sh*t up that isn't true.

 

[Oklahoma Gator]

If you're going to argue a point, I think it's important to use accurate info and not make sh*t up that isn't true.

Yeah I'm counting Presbyterian.. A once in a decade storm lost us that one game which is a scheduled win

 

[MJMGator]

Yeah I'm counting Presbyterian.. A once in a decade storm lost us that one game which is a scheduled win

Can you erase one of the blowout losses, too?

 

[EyeDocGator]

Can you erase one of the blowout losses, too?

No, we earned those.

 

[Gator2222]

There are a few posters on this board that insist you can't win championships without top ranked recruiting classes. To them the quality of the players is the single most important factor.

Muschamp may have had highly ranked classes, but he did it with complete disregard to the offensive side of the ball. He left Mac with 6 OL (that couldn't beat out incoming true freshmen), underachieving WR's that had spent two years without a position coach and 2 QBs one of which would disqualify himself and the other was physically incapable of playing the position. In addition, Mac inherited one serviceable RB who would leave a year later.

On top of that, Muschamp left a legacy of utter and complete offensive ineptitude. He went 4-8 while losing at home to a lower division team that never completed a pass. There were videos of our players blocking each other. Muschamp started a dumpster fire and broadcast it nation wide. Florida became a laughingstock in the college football world. No offensive players wanted to go to a program quickly gaining fame as the place where QBs go to die.

Mac has improved recruiting each and every year. There is no denying the upward trajectory in our recruiting. However, even though we are now back in the top 10, we still are not quite fully back to the top yet.

No one can deny that Muschamp left the offense in complete ruins. Yet the same people that acknowledge that you can't beat the FSU's and Alabama's without top players are upset that Mac hasn't beat the FSU's and Alabama's without top players on offense.

Which one is it? Is Mac underachieving because he hasn't beat FSU and Alabama despite the huge gap in talent or is it impossible to beat FSU and Alabama with a huge gap in talent? You can't have it both ways.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

Can you erase one of the blowout losses, too?

Better yet ask him how UM fixed OSU THE VERY first year he was there.....Or even yet how Harbaugh suddenly made Michigan a top 10 team after successive 4&5 win seasons or how Saban took a 5-7 Bama team to an undefeated regular season in his second year at Bama......I guess we don't deserve to have a top level coach like those guys anymore?

 

[T REX]

That's a perfect example of pumping though. Remember when they refused to count the Louisville bowl game loss. I heard the stupid argument that bowl games don't count. Heard that vs Mich too. You did not hear that after the win vs Iowa though. He does not have two ten win seasons. He's 19-8.

I am trying to be level headed but when you read dumb crap like that it makes you wonder. They over prop him up and literally(see above) try to make him a better coach than he actually has shown.

Too many excuses. This year is the year. This season we find out what kind of coach Mac is...fair enough for everyone?

 

[Concrete Helmet]

There are a few posters on this board that insist you can't win championships without top ranked recruiting classes. To them the quality of the players is the single most important factor.

Muschamp may have had highly ranked classes, but he did it with complete disregard to the offensive side of the ball. He left Mac with 6 OL (that couldn't beat out incoming true freshmen), underachieving WR's that had spent two years without a position coach and 2 QBs one of which would disqualify himself and the other was physically incapable of playing the position. In addition, Mac inherited one serviceable RB who would leave a year later.

On top of that, Muschamp left a legacy of utter and complete offensive ineptitude. He went 4-8 while losing at home to a lower division team that never completed a pass. There were videos of our players blocking each other. Muschamp started a dumpster fire and broadcast it nation wide. Florida became a laughingstock in the college football world. No offensive players wanted to go to a program quickly gaining fame as the place where QBs go to die.

Muschamp has improved recruiting each and every year. There is no denying the upward trajectory in our recruiting. However, even though we are now back in the top 10, we still are not quite fully back to the top yet.

No one can deny that Muschamp left the offense in complete ruins. Yet the same people that acknowledge that you can't beat the FSU's and Alabama's without top players are upset that Mac hasn't beat the FSU's and Alabama's without top players on offense.

Which one is it? Is Mac underachieving because he hasn't beat FSU and Alabama despite the huge gap in talent or is it impossible to beat FSU and Alabama with a huge gap in talent? You can't have it both ways.

For the love of God Mrs. Butters...please stop with the excuses....Your husband will have a nice time of it in the MAC after he gets fired....

 

[Gator2222]

For the love of God Mrs. Butters...please stop with the excuses....Your husband will have a nice time of it in the MAC after he gets fired....

No answer, just insults. Concrete is grasping. Anyone else?

 

[T REX]

There are a few posters on this board that insist you can't win championships without top ranked recruiting classes. To them the quality of the players is the single most important factor.

Muschamp may have had highly ranked classes, but he did it with complete disregard to the offensive side of the ball. He left Mac with 6 OL (that couldn't beat out incoming true freshmen), underachieving WR's that had spent two years without a position coach and 2 QBs one of which would disqualify himself and the other was physically incapable of playing the position. In addition, Mac inherited one serviceable RB who would leave a year later.

On top of that, Muschamp left a legacy of utter and complete offensive ineptitude. He went 4-8 while losing at home to a lower division team that never completed a pass. There were videos of our players blocking each other. Muschamp started a dumpster fire and broadcast it nation wide. Florida became a laughingstock in the college football world. No offensive players wanted to go to a program quickly gaining fame as the place where QBs go to die.

Muschamp has improved recruiting each and every year. There is no denying the upward trajectory in our recruiting. However, even though we are now back in the top 10, we still are not quite fully back to the top yet.

No one can deny that Muschamp left the offense in complete ruins. Yet the same people that acknowledge that you can't beat the FSU's and Alabama's without top players are upset that Mac hasn't beat the FSU's and Alabama's without top players on offense.

Which one is it? Is Mac underachieving because he hasn't beat FSU and Alabama despite the huge gap in talent or is it impossible to beat FSU and Alabama with a huge gap in talent? You can't have it both ways.

There are so many things wrong with this post. I'll let someone else shred it. Mac recruited DTs like Chump recruited Oline. That's just for starters.

How about we leave this thread for Spring practices?

 

[MJMGator]

There are a few posters on this board that insist you can't win championships without top ranked recruiting classes. To them the quality of the players is the single most important factor.

Muschamp may have had highly ranked classes, but he did it with complete disregard to the offensive side of the ball. He left Mac with 6 OL (that couldn't beat out incoming true freshmen), underachieving WR's that had spent two years without a position coach and 2 QBs one of which would disqualify himself and the other was physically incapable of playing the position. In addition, Mac inherited one serviceable RB who would leave a year later.

On top of that, Muschamp left a legacy of utter and complete offensive ineptitude. He went 4-8 while losing at home to a lower division team that never completed a pass. There were videos of our players blocking each other. Muschamp started a dumpster fire and broadcast it nation wide. Florida became a laughingstock in the college football world. No offensive players wanted to go to a program quickly gaining fame as the place where QBs go to die.

Muschamp has improved recruiting each and every year. There is no denying the upward trajectory in our recruiting. However, even though we are now back in the top 10, we still are not quite fully back to the top yet.

No one can deny that Muschamp left the offense in complete ruins. Yet the same people that acknowledge that you can't beat the FSU's and Alabama's without top players are upset that Mac hasn't beat the FSU's and Alabama's without top players on offense.

Which one is it? Is Mac underachieving because he hasn't beat FSU and Alabama despite the huge gap in talent or is it impossible to beat FSU and Alabama with a huge gap in talent? You can't have it both ways.

Alabama and FSU can be beaten by teams with lesser talent. It happens to FSU several times a year and Bama about once a year. Hell, we don't even have to beat them, just be in the friggin game!
Mac was hired specifically to fix the offense and we are worse now than he got here. What's your excuse for that, Jim?

 

[Gator2222]

There are so many things wrong with this post. I'll let someone else shred it. Mac recruited DTs like Chump recruited Oline. That's just for starters.

How about we leave this thread for Spring practices?

Again no answers. However, I feel the need to acknowledge that you didn't resort to insults. You're actually one of my favorite posters when you stay above that level. We don't always agree, but you usually have good points. You have made me question my opinions in the past and I value that.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

This X 1000.

Mac hasn't been perfect, but the expectation that he can compete with FSU and Bama in two years with the program as broken as Muschamp left it is ridiculous.

********....Muschamp beat FSU and other than 2013 played them to the wire EVERY year......He actually scored a few offensive touchdowns while doing it...

 

[Gator2222]

Alabama and FSU can be beaten by teams with lesser talent. It happens to FSU several times a year and Bama about once a year. Hell, we don't even have to beat them, just be in the friggin game!
Mac was hired specifically to fix the offense and we are worse now than he got here. What's your excuse for that, Jim?

So you are saying it's not really that important to get top 5 classes? A good coach doesn't need top ranked players to beat the top teams in the country?

Are you saying that FSU and Bama occasionally stumble against a lesser team or that they lose to lesser teams regularly?

You can't have it both ways. Either you need top 5 classes to win championships and beat the top teams or the recruiting classes aren't really that important.

 

[Gator2222]

********....Muschamp beat FSU and other than 2013 played them to the wire EVERY year......He actually scored a few offensive touchdowns while doing it...

Muschamp played everyone to the wire. He played not to lose. If he was down by 10 with the ball and 3 minutes left in the first half he would run the clock out.

Are you saying it's OK to lose as long as you keep it close?

I didn't realize that was our standard.

 

[MJMGator]

So you are saying it's not really that important to get top 5 classes? A good coach doesn't need top ranked players to beat the top teams in the country?

Are you saying that FSU and Bama occasionally stumble against a lesser team or that they lose to lesser teams regularly?

You can't have it both ways. Either you need top 5 classes to win championships and beat the top teams or the recruiting classes aren't really that important.

Have what both ways? You've never seen me say we have to have a top class to do anything. Talent is very important, but coaching is equally important. We've excelled at neither under Mac, so I'm not sure what your argument is.

 

[Gator2222]

Alabama and FSU can be beaten by teams with lesser talent. It happens to FSU several times a year and Bama about once a year. Hell, we don't even have to beat them, just be in the friggin game!
Mac was hired specifically to fix the offense and we are worse now than he got here. What's your excuse for that, Jim?

So you're going on the record right now that you think it's OK for us to lose to Bama and FSU this year as long as we keep it close? That doesn't sound like you. Should Mac do what Spurrier would do and throw the ball trying to get back in the game even if it's riskier or pull a Muschamp and just run the clock out?

 

[MJMGator]

So you're going on the record right now as someone that you think it's OK for us to lose to Bama and FSU this year as long as we keep it close? That doesn't sound like you. Should Mac do what Spurrier would do and throw the ball trying to get back in the game even if it's riskier or pull a Muschamp and just run the clock out?

So, you're sayin...
So, you're going on record....

If that's your shtick then I'm done talking with you. I've got better things to do than argue with someone that wants to make sh*t up.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

Muschamp played everyone to the wire. He played not to lose. If he was down by 10 with the ball and 3 minutes left in the first half he would run the clock out.

Are you saying it's OK to lose as long as you keep it close?

I didn't realize that was our standard.

Listen Claribel or whatever your real name is I certainly don't like to see my favorite team roll over and get corn holed if that's what you mean.... We'll see how much better we look this year when Dunce's defensive recruits aren't here to protect what little lead we put on teams like UMass and North Texas .....