Who might replace Freeze at Ole Miss?

[BMF]

Yeah. I don't give two shyts about ole piss. They'll go back to being irrelevant. The only time other than during this cheating bastard's "stewardship" that the program was even relevant was when Eli Manning was tossing passes.

J, this goes hand in hand w/ SEC fans beating their chests about how "tough" our conference is. So, is Ole Miss "irrelevant" and a patsy? Or are they a solid, tough out in the SEC? We can't have it both ways....which is why, imo, the SEC is no longer the "best" conference in CFB. Maybe as far as fans and tradition go, yes....but as far as toughness vs. other conference....not so much. It's Alabama, and 13 "irrelevant" has-beens or never-were's.

 

[GatorJ]

J, this goes hand in hand w/ SEC fans beating their chests about how "tough" our conference is. So, is Ole Miss "irrelevant" and a patsy? Or are they a solid, tough out in the SEC? We can't have it both ways....which is why, imo, the SEC is no longer the "best" conference in CFB. Maybe as far as fans and tradition go, yes....but as far as toughness vs. other conference....not so much. It's Alabama, and 13 "irrelevant" has-beens or never-were's.

The SEC sucks right now. They have the talent but coaching is downright awful.

 

[GatorJ]

Case in point, I think over the last three years, we are second only to Alabama in wins. How can that be? I think we can all agree that we have been pretty terrible.

 

[BMF]

Case in point, I think over the last three years, we are second only to Alabama in wins. How can that be? I think we can all agree that we have been pretty terrible.

Then....going back to my post....you should "care". Not that you want Ole Miss to be better than us, but that Ole Miss simply gets "better". The SEC is better when it's a better top-to-bottom conference. The SEC, outside of Alabama, has actually become a joke. That's why you're seeing Jimbo Fisher run his mouth about the ACC being better (he's right, btw) and Bob Stoops talking sh*t a couple of years ago. Other Alabama, we can't back it up. Sure, we win a game or two vs. other conferences....but we're also getting our asses kicked (see UF vs. FSU the last 6 years. See LSU vs. Wisconsin. Even Ga Tech got a win vs. UGA, which is very rare). Personally I'd rather see our conference kicking ass. But that's me. So to answer your question in the earlier post again, I care.

 

[t-gator]

The SEC sucks right now. They have the talent but coaching is downright awful.

Yeah, the sec runs away with recruiting rankings and draft picks but the last 10 years the only coaches that get hired are retreads or saban disciples.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

SEC football is so terrible I can't stand to watch it. I used to watch almost every televised game. Now I have trouble watching just ours.

It reminds me of that godawful Big 10 stuff from the eighties with 200 yards of offense and a 12-10 or 14-9 score.

 

[T REX]

With the hammer coming down...it's going to be some mid major guy.

Also, I never understood not wanting to see all the SEC teams play well out of conference. It does so much outside of bragging rights. The conference weight has gotten teams into title games based on just being an SEC team. It's important and always will be.

 

[revgator]

They might hire Will Muschamp because he said he knows how to win championships....

 

[Tunaboat]

Heidi Fleiss

 

[78]

The SEC sucks right now. They have the talent but coaching is downright awful.

Why do you think that is? Cyclical? Some other factor?

 

[GatorJ]

Why do you think that is? Cyclical? Some other factor?

Coaching quality. And chump on our program.

 

[78]

Coaching quality. And chump on our program.

You're addressing the effect. I'm asking the cause.

 

[MJMGator]

You're addressing the effect. I'm asking the cause.

Saban. They scared.

 

[78]

Saban. They scared.

That may not be inaccurate.

 

[GatorJ]

You're addressing the effect. I'm asking the cause.

Well I don't know why we stuck with chump as long as we did. Mind boggling.

I guess a combination of schools not using homegrown talent to coach. And trying to use The Saban doctrine to build a team. Find a coach that's a taskmaster and then try to build a team with great facilities and bring in superior recruits. Build an offense around 3 yards and a cloud of dust. This idea of getting people to the NFL by using NFL systems.

Problem is that the NFL is no longer like that. The reason kids have been getting to the NFL's because the SEC gets the best and most talented kids from high school.

And probably the biggest reason is that the SEC has moved away from bringing in homegrown coaching talent and has been reaching throughout the country to bring in people who've had success in other programs. Which doesn't necessarily correlate.

That's mainly due to the success of Saban and Meyer.

 

[GatorJ]

And by homegrown, I mean coaches that are either affiliated with the schools or were heavily influenced by previous coaches at that school. And maybe to some extent have significant ties to that region. But mainly the first part.

I expect to see Tebow coaching at UF in the next 10 years.

 

[78]

Well I don't know why we stuck with chump as long as we did. Mind boggling.

I guess a combination of schools not using homegrown talent to coach. And trying to use The Saban doctrine to build a team. Find a coach that's a taskmaster and then try to build a team with great facilities and bring in superior recruits. Build an offense around 3 yards and a cloud of dust. This idea of getting people to the NFL by using NFL systems.

Problem is that the NFL is no longer like that. The reason kids have been getting to the NFL's because the SEC gets the best and most talented kids from high school.

And probably the biggest reason is that the SEC has moved away from bringing in homegrown coaching talent and has been reaching throughout the country to bring in people who've had success in other programs. Which doesn't necessarily correlate.

That's mainly due to the success of Saban and Meyer.

I'll throw in my uninformed take. There's been a dropoff in the West, but for the most part it's remained fairly strong. The biggest change has been to the East -- esp Florida and Tennessee, where back-to-back experiments with coaches ended in failure or temporary doubt. That translates to six to 10 years of subpar performance that is very difficult to recover from.

You change the Florida and Tennessee struggles and the complexion is very different for the SEC.

 

[Gatorraid81]

And by homegrown, I mean coaches that are either affiliated with the schools or were heavily influenced by previous coaches at that school. And maybe to some extent have significant ties to that region. But mainly the first part.

I expect to see Tebow coaching at UF in the next 10 years.

I just don't know if I see Tebow coaching, he's a great leader and motivator don't get me wrong, but a coach does seem to have to be a little cut throat it seems. Just don't seem like Tebow could be that way, got to be able to push kids out of the program that haven't contributed after being there a couple years and you can't let dead weight coaches remain on staff (Like Mac has). I would be worried that his heart is too big to do these things, and you it seems like you have to get a little dirty recruiting and I just couldn't see him lowering himself to do that. Then again he could prove me wrong, he proved many people wrong already.

 

[GatorJ]

I just don't know if I see Tebow coaching, he's a great leader and motivator don't get me wrong, but a coach does seem to have to be a little cut throat it seems. Just don't seem like Tebow could be that way, got to be able to push kids out of the program that haven't contributed after being there a couple years and you can't let dead weight coaches remain on staff (Like Mac has). I would be worried that his heart is too big to do these things, and you it seems like you have to get a little dirty recruiting and I just couldn't see him lowering himself to do that. Then again he could prove me wrong, he proved many people wrong already.

Spurrier didn't push a lot of kids out. Reason you have to push kids out is because of the system that you have. And everybody's trying to emulate Saban's system.

What if instead, you focused on talent in your region and brought in kids that fit your program and culture.

We could be seeing that happen with Coach Mac. He has just missed on so many kids in Florida in the last couple years. But if you look at last year's class and this year's class it's mainly just Florida kids with a spattering of kids who idolized UF football growing up.

I think Mac's biggest problem is that he had a lot of deadweight on his coaching staff. But he seems to have fixed a lot of that. Let's see if it translates on the field.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I expect to see Tebow coaching at UF in the next 10 years.

Lol. Uhhh, no.