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I immediately thought of the choke at doak when I read his comment. I was at that game and the end was miserable.

However, if I had brought it up then I would be accused of making excuses for Mac. This time, you're the pumper. :lmao2:
Just call me sunshine :pumper:
 

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Well I was there for both, Years kinda run together. Fortunately I was in Cozumel for the Choke. As we stumbled into each bar we'd get an update on the score and then BAM. The game was over and ended tied.
 

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You only have to look at last years UT game to get a feel of this sorry arse coaching staff... we are up huge at halftime and I swear I have never seen so many runs up the middle called since spazzadizo...would Spurdog let a lead like that be squandered? Hell no!! He would have made it 50 point lead!!! We can have all the top 5 recruiting classes we want but until the folks who are calling the plays are removed from their positions, expect more of the same from last year. The only saving grace in all of this is if MAC shows us his guruness and starts calling the plays, and tells Nuss to go carry his golf bag. Even then I don't know how well the offense will be, only time and a lot of alcohol and cussing at the TV will tell

As you grow older you will learn, one of the least important things in life is the score of a football game at halftime.
 

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As you grow older you will learn, one of the least important things in life is the score of a football game at halftime.
My point was Spurrier stepped on the throats and "ran up the score". I don't see any inclination of any of that type of coaching from either MAC or Nuss. And if they don't turn it around this season, all those committs everyone are pleasuring themselves to, are going to end up at those schools who's coaches step on the throats...
 

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My point was Spurrier stepped on the throats and "ran up the score". I don't see any inclination of any of that type of coaching from either MAC or Nuss. And if they don't turn it around this season, all those committs everyone are pleasuring themselves to, are going to end up at those schools who's coaches step on the throats...

Oh, I agree w/ you there. But the simple fact is, we CAN'T (or couldn't) run the score up on ANYBODY! Look at the FAU game 2 years ago....look at the UMass game last year. We STRUGGLE to score, period! And as far as the Tennessee game, yes we did run up the middle in the 2nd half...but we did attempt to pass. UT's sh*tty Defense destroyed our OL, Appleby had ZERO time in the pocket. It was a complete embarrassment.

Here's what needs to happen: we need to beat the teams we're supposed to beat....and beat them handily. Our younger players have lacked the proper development because we are in tight games vs. crap teams late into the 4th quarter. In FAU/UMass/Vandy type games, our younger players should be playing the ENTIRE 4th quarter. Instead, they're standing on the sidelines watching a close game that should have been put away in the early 3rd quarter. Ask yourself, why are we going to overtime vs. a 3-9 FAU football team? Why is the score 10-7 at the beginning of the 4th quarter vs. UMass? Unbelievable....and very Will Muschamp-ish.

But my point stands....especially if you bet on football games; As you grow older you will learn, one of the least important things in life is the score of a football game at halftime!
 

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Why do we have an enormous copy of your twitter app showing the committing tweet of DB to the Vols?
think he was considering us, but never really made the discussions here
 

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You only have to look at last years UT game to get a feel of this sorry arse coaching staff... we are up huge at halftime and I swear I have never seen so many runs up the middle called since spazzadizo...would Spurdog let a lead like that be squandered? Hell no!! He would have made it 50 point lead!!! We can have all the top 5 recruiting classes we want but until the folks who are calling the plays are removed from their positions, expect more of the same from last year. The only saving grace in all of this is if MAC shows us his guruness and starts calling the plays, and tells Nuss to go carry his golf bag. Even then I don't know how well the offense will be, only time and a lot of alcohol and cussing at the TV will tell

How quickly people forget....or how poorly they learn history.

The situations are a bit different. Spurrier has stated repeatedly that he inherited a loaded roster. When he walked in the door he had a monster offensive line, Shane Matthews and a stubborn defense. Spurrier never had to put Treon Harris behind the center. Spurrier made it through his first two seasons without dealing with his starting QB getting injured.

In Spurrier's first season he went to Tennessee and got blown out 45-3. Tennessee scored 38 points in the 2nd half. He lost the season finale when FSU put 45 points on the scoreboard. Spurrier lost 2 of 3 games against ranked opponents. Sound familiar?

Florida played Notre Dame in the 1992 Sugar Bowl. That season Notre Dame was widely seen as a team that did not deserve to be in the Sugar Bowl. The game is also known as "The Cheerios Bowl", due to the comment a waiter supposedly told Lou Holtz at a restaurant that "The difference between Cheerios and Notre Dame is that Cheerios belong in a bowl". The Gators were heavily favored. In the fourth quarter, Czyzewski's fifth field goal of the game (in other words, we couldn't score TDs) gave the Gators a 22–17 lead with just 13:45 remaining. Then Jerome Bettis ran the ball down our throats. We had no answer. Notre Dame won in a shocker 39-28.

In 1992, Spurrier's 3rd season, the Gators lost to Tennessee 31-14 and the next week lost to Mississippi State 30-6. That team also lost to FSU 45-24 in a game where Spurrier conceded defeat and pulled his starting QB in the 3rd quarter.

I'm not saying Mac is the next Spurrier, but people forget the real history.
 
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How quickly people forget....or how poorly they learn history.

The situations are a bit different. Spurrier has stated repeatedly that he inherited a loaded roster. When he walked in the door he had a monster offensive line, Shane Matthews and a stubborn defense. Spurrier never had to put Treon Harris behind the center. Spurrier made it through his first two seasons without dealing with his starting QB getting injured.

In Spurrier's first season he went to Tennessee and got blown out 45-3. Tennessee scored 38 points in the 2nd half. He lost the season finale when FSU put 45 points on the scoreboard. Spurrier lost 2 of 3 games against ranked opponents. Sound familiar?

Florida played Notre Dame in the 1992 Sugar Bowl. That season Notre Dame was widely seen as a team that did not deserve to be in the Sugar Bowl. The game is also known as "The Cheerios Bowl", due to the comment a waiter supposedly told Lou Holtz at a restaurant that "The difference between Cheerios and Notre Dame is that Cheerios belong in a bowl". The Gators were heavily favored. In the fourth quarter, Czyzewski's fifth field goal of the game (in other words, we couldn't score TDs) gave the Gators a 22–17 lead with just 13:45 remaining. Then Jerome Bettis ran the ball down our throats. We had no answer. Notre Dame won in a shocker 39-28.

In 1992, Spurrier's 3rd season, the Gators lost to Tennessee 31-14 and the next week lost to Mississippi State 30-6. That team also lost to FSU 45-24 in a game where Spurrier conceded defeat and pulled his starting QB in the 3rd quarter.

I'm not saying Mac is the next Spurrier, but people forget the real history.

Spurrier also didn't go to the wire w/ a 3-9 homecoming opponent. He also didn't struggle to put points on the board vs. the also-rans on our schedule (UMass, FAU, Vandy, Kentucky, etc). He may have inherited a "loaded roster", but not at the QB position. Shane Matthews was literally 4th or 5th on the depth chart and unheralded coming to UF from a small HS in Mississippi (a UF team that barely threw the ball when he signed). In his 3rd season, he started two true freshman at OT - poor recruiting or was the roster really "loaded" when he got there? He never had an offense finish dead last in the conference in total offense. Produced the SEC Offensive POY twice in his first two seasons. And he didn't lose a home game until year 4, to #1 ranked FSU.


But I get it, McElwain came into a much, much worse situation... :jerkstore:
 

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Spurrier also didn't go to the wire w/ a 3-9 homecoming opponent. He also didn't struggle to put points on the board vs. the also-rans on our schedule (UMass, FAU, Vandy, Kentucky, etc). He may have inherited a "loaded roster", but not at the QB position. Shane Matthews was literally 4th or 5th on the depth chart and unheralded coming to UF from a small HS in Mississippi (a UF team that barely threw the ball when he signed). In his 3rd season, he started two true freshman at OT - poor recruiting or was the roster really "loaded" when he got there? He never had an offense finish dead last in the conference in total offense. Produced the SEC Offensive POY twice in his first two seasons. And he didn't lose a home game until year 4, to #1 ranked FSU.


But I get it, McElwain came into a much, much worse situation... :jerkstore:

Way to completely miss the point.

My post was in reply to someone claiming Spurrier would have never blown a big lead.

Spurrier lost to ranked teams and got blown out his first couple of seasons. There were games that we did not score an offensive touchdown.

People forget that part of history.

As I clearly stated in my post, not saying Mac is Spurrier. However, Spurrier struggled at times. It wasn't all rainbows and unicorns. The fans complained about him too. Although I don't subscribe to this theory, some blame the fans for him leaving.

As far as the roster when Spurrier arrived, yes Shane was buried on the depth chart, but he was there when Spurrier arrived. The fact that Spurrier was able to evaluate and pick the 4th stringer meant that there were four viable options.

This line is confusing. "In his 3rd season, he started two true freshman at OT - poor recruiting or was the roster really "loaded" when he got there?" Are you implying that the 3rd year roster is not "his guys"? I hear on this forum all the time that Mac now owns his roster. Spurrier had time to sign OL. His team suffered in the third season because he didn't sign them.
 

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No doubt Mac came into a horrible position. The Grier situation set us back even more. That shouldn't undercut the Mac mistakes. He finally has a good recruiting staff, but it should have come quicker. There have been holes in recruiting and roster management, specifically LB and DT, along with poor recruiting in other areas. We still have Nuss and I'm less concerned about Nord, but still concerned.

Point being is that Mac came in as an inexperienced HC. There has been some learning on the job. He's no SOS or Urban Crysack Tittybaby, but I do think he's better than Muschamp or Zook. It appears he's turning a corner.

If our OLine can anchor this team and play well, we should keep this class. We have another good class lined up for 2019 that we can worry about then. It's far from a done deal, but I see improvement. Was it slower than it needed to be? Yes, but let's give the season a shot before we burn it down in August.
 

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