If Muschamp had never been fired, where would our program be?

[Swamp Donkey]

So Muschamp would have been worse than mcilwain?

Absolutely, he would never win the east bc he didnt even try to score.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

Butters walked into a dumpster fire. Mullen walks into a situation even 10 times worse than that.

What did Muschamp walk into? A team only two years removed from a NC and the #1 recruiting class in the nation. It was a dream scenario that he managed to completely flush down the john. If you look at the big picture, he may have actually done a worse job than Butters.

Nice post, Ox. And please tell the guys in the chat room that an E&M signal sent from a ship traveling near the speed of light still travels away from the ship at the speed of light.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

And as I’ve pointed out repeatedly, our best defense was 2012, which was 90% Meyer’s guys. WM never replaced guys like Floyd, Easley, Elam, etc. Almost every position, outside of DB, saw a significant decline in talent, which for some reason, goes unnoticed.

It didnt really go unnoticed, at least by some, but you are forgetting that he was able to recruit undersized Rush Ends who were useless on anything but third and long. He landed about 10 of them.

 

[78]

Franks would be riding the pine at LSU.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Franks would be riding the pine at LSU.

True.

And Trash would be holding extra points at Southwest Central Houston.

 

[soflagator]

It didnt really go unnoticed but younare forgetting that he was able to receuit undersized Rush Ends who were useless on anything butnthird and long. He landed about 10 of them.

Yeah I almost added 200lb DE’s to my list. But even there, aside from Fowler, even that position took a step backwards.

And frankly, it did go unnoticed by most. I still hear people rave about WM’s defensive recruiting ability, and far too many just associate 2012 with WM, completely disregarding the facts.

 

[MertzJay26]

I wish we would have kept Muschamp

 

[ThreatMatrix]

Yeah I almost added 200lb DE’s to my list. But even there, aside from Fowler, even that position took a step backwards.

And frankly, it did go unnoticed by most. I still hear people rave about WM’s defensive recruiting ability, and far too many just associate 2012 with WM, completely disregarding the facts.

 

[gator1946]

Like a lot of schools who have fallen from the mountain top. Keep recycling till you get a winner. Or until you fall off the map completely.

 

[Gator_Chompz]

Grier is still a Gator ‍

 

[GatorInGeorgia]

Just askin'. Would it be better or worse?

In the sh*ter.

 

[GatorInGeorgia]

So Muschamp would have been worse than mcilwain?

They’re both bad just in different ways.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

Like a lot of schools who have fallen from the mountain top. Keep recycling till you get a winner. Or until you fall off the map completely.

How close to the edge are we?

 

[GatorInGeorgia]

How close to the edge are we?

We fell off the edge years ago. We’re like Wily E. Coyote running in mid air trying to stave off the inevitable plunge towards the hard ground below.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

So Muschamp would have been worse than mcilwain?

As I remember Muschamp has gotten to zero SEC title games in 6 seasons as a head coach in the SEC East, while McElwain is 2 for 3. The bother were head coaches in the same division in the same division two years and McElwain won it one of those two years.

The real horror of the last 10 years is that UF has wasted a period when the rest of the SEC East were terrible.

 

[Gator Fever]

As I remember Muschamp has gotten to zero SEC title games in 6 seasons as a head coach in the SEC East, while McElwain is 2 for 3. The bother were head coaches in the same division in the same division two years and McElwain won it one of those two years.

The real horror of the last 10 years is that UF has wasted a period when the rest of the SEC East were terrible.

But Muschamp actually lost out to some good teams while Mac got a joke east those years.

 

[AugustaGator]

We’d only be paying one salary too.

 

[Omar's Coming Yo!]

Just as bad, or worse. Even the recruiting side had taken a hit. People forget that we had a 100+ class when JM took over, with virtually all major targets looking elsewhere. The “shine” wore off in 2013. By the end of ‘14, we’d become a pariah, and rivals were already using the “he won’t be there” pitch, with success.

And as I’ve pointed out repeatedly, our best defense was 2012, which was 90% Meyer’s guys. WM never replaced guys like Floyd, Easley, Elam, etc. Almost every position, outside of DB, saw a significant decline in talent, which for some reason, goes unnoticed.

And opposing coaches flat out admitted tat they didn’t even try to score points beyond a certain point (14 or so)because they knew we were no threat to score. So even the defensive stats are completely skewed.

WM sucked at everything. No actual data could refute that we’d have been just as bad as the last few years.

That recruiting class fell apart because of WM being fired. We wouldve had Cowart, Holland, Baker, Adonis Thomas, George brown, and a whole host of other things. Will absolutely replaced that talent and the NFL draft shows that. He had 14 guys drafted in the first 3 rounds that were his guys. Grier may have bought him more time but he sucked so bad at offense I doubt it. He's doing the same thing at scar . Great defense, good QB but no OL. The worst thing wasn't that WM got fired it's that Foley paid so much to hire Mac and then refused to fix the facilities . Jeremy Foley single handedly destroyed everything about UF football

 

[Omar's Coming Yo!]

Butters walked into a dumpster fire. Mullen walks into a situation even 10 times worse than that.

What did Muschamp walk into? A team only two years removed from a NC and the #1 recruiting class in the nation. It was a dream scenario that he managed to completely flush down the john. If you look at the big picture, he may have actually done a worse job than Butters.

It wasn't a dream scenario. He had no QB(JB4 was broken), no OL, no real RB to fit his scheme except gilly (Gilly not playing was criminal)and 1 good offensive player in Reed. The offense was a complete dumpster fire. We had no upperclassmen worth a crap in the defensive backfield except Evans we had to start freshman and 2 sophomores. DE was just as bad as we had to start William green and earl freaking Okine . Did you forget this?

If anything they both walked into identical disasters. Mullen walked into a complete disaster and if doesn't fix his recruiting it will be like Mac never left and the program will sink into an even bigger hole