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I agree we can be hopeful he works out.

To be clear, we are not in a.position to be taking risks (actually five risks) on this coaching staff.

But I guess we cant outbid memphis for their OL coach even.
I wouldn't be suprised if the Memphis guy turned us down. I'm sure alot of coaches around the industry see where mac is headed with this thing and Norvell is on the rise.
 

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I wouldn't be suprised if the Memphis guy turned us down. I'm sure alot of coaches around the industry see where mac is headed with this thing and Norvell is on the rise.

That's what concerns me. If he was "established" (i.e. there's no question he's not losing his job) I think coaches would jump at a job here - coaches from P5 programs. It's easy to offer a guy making $93K at North Texas. He probably more than doubled his pay (I imagine he's going to get no less than $250K)....and another guy making $150K at USF. Getting a coach to leave a job w/ an established coach/program is harder to do....especially when going somewhere w/ uncertain job security.

When Muschamp lured Roper from Duke he was offered a 3-year guaranteed contract at $600K/year. Roper got a raise and a guarantee (he ended up getting fired along w/ Muschamp after 1 year and landed at Cleveland as a QA coach, probably making $50K...and UF paid the other $550K or the full $600K). Unless we're offering guaranteed 2+ year contracts I can't see why a coach at, say, UNC or Pitt or Okie State, etc would want to come to UF.
 
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The fact that one (AD scrooginess/HC hiring decisions) sucks doesnt preclude that the other one sucks also.

Agreed. But it's sort of tough to evaluate Mac's hiring ability if he isn't given the necessary resources. Despite that, gray was a great hire, I recall a certain Donkey Law effusively praising Seider, and rumph and skipper have been ok. Oh and sidehat, though you weren't a fan, was good enough to snag a head coaching gig.
 
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No, it was clearly good judgement to hire weiss, then pease, then a guy who wants to run a spread when we have no personnel for it b/c weve been recruiting to run a pro style.

Nice job avoiding the very miserable truth of my actual statement by the way. He rehired almost his entire disaster of a coaching staff at SC. :lol:

Avoiding? You're funny. My prior post identified some good chimp hires (Dan Quinn, etc.) which YOU avoided addressing in your response. Actually, not only did you completely ignore that, but you throw out the red herrings of Weis and Pease, when my post already noted he was a colossal failure hiring any offensive personnel. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't read my post closely. Again, my fault for thinking nuance has any place here.

As for avoiding your statement re chumps SC staff, I am chagrined to admit that I haven't followed nearly any of what chimp did once he was canned, and definitely not who he's hired 2 jobs and 2 years removed from coaching the gators because, well, I really just don't give a flock.
 

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So possibility of Dixon heading to Oregon; perhaps we could replace him with Craig. Long-shot with both but still a possibility
 

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If we got Craig, we'd be the favorite for a lot of La talent, between him, Skipper, and Davis
 

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Avoiding? You're funny. My prior post identified some good chimp hires (Dan Quinn, etc.) which YOU avoided addressing in your response. Actually, not only did you completely ignore that, but you throw out the red herrings of Weis and Pease, when my post already noted he was a colossal failure hiring any offensive personnel. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't read my post closely. Again, my fault for thinking nuance has any place here.

As for avoiding your statement re chumps SC staff, I am chagrined to admit that I haven't followed nearly any of what chimp did once he was canned, and definitely not who he's hired 2 jobs and 2 years removed from coaching the gators because, well, I really just don't give a flock.
Your ignorance of his decisions since he left Florida doesn't change the fact that he literally got the old (horribly bad) band back together when he went to SC. Look up the individuals on his coaching staff, its primarily the old failed Florida team. And he's obviously still trying to pull in the last few pieces missing from the group (hughes).

As far as the 3 individuals you mentioned, quinn was one of the best coaches we've ever had, trob and durkin are whatevs. Other than being good recruiters they are basically forgettable. So in 4 years, he made one really great, standout hire that we can point to. How many total people were on his staff each year? Percentages say he was a colossal failure at staffing. And by your own admission you really don't know anything about what he's been doing for a few years, but you definitely use him as benchmark to say that because he wants someone, that person must be good. A bit counter intuitive I must say.

Finally, you imply that I ignore quinn because he doesn't fit the narrative, but I dont. Im looking at it from a simple numbers perspective and its really bad historically for that moron (chump, not quinn). Ironically, you want to dismiss the 3 colossal failures I threw out because "offense" like that makes one bit of difference.

I'll say again, using chump as a justification for basically anything other than firing someone is about as pumper as you can get. It's unbelievable we are even having this conversation. Fire away with your last remarks, I've grown tired of this ridiculous and unnecessary argument.
 

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If we got Craig, we'd be the favorite for a lot of La talent, between him, Skipper, and Davis
The favorite thing is a little generous IMHO. LSU is still king there. I appreciate the optimism but I do not think that is realistic.
 

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im also good at generalities like you dont find the best coaches at FIU, FAU, UCF or North Texas, because they are FAU and North Texas.

Bama's current o-line coach (coaches guards/centers) was hired from UCF. Clemson's o-line coach was hired from Vandy. Michigan's o-line coach was hired by Stanford in 07 from San Diego and I don't mean the Chargers. This isn't out of the norm it seems.
 
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Your ignorance of his decisions since he left Florida doesn't change the fact that he literally got the old (horribly bad) band back together when he went to SC. Look up the individuals on his coaching staff, its primarily the old failed Florida team. And he's obviously still trying to pull in the last few pieces missing from the group (hughes).

As far as the 3 individuals you mentioned, quinn was one of the best coaches we've ever had, trob and durkin are whatevs. Other than being good recruiters they are basically forgettable. So in 4 years, he made one really great, standout hire that we can point to. How many total people were on his staff each year? Percentages say he was a colossal failure at staffing. And by your own admission you really don't know anything about what he's been doing for a few years, but you definitely use him as benchmark to say that because he wants someone, that person must be good. A bit counter intuitive I must say.

Finally, you imply that I ignore quinn because he doesn't fit the narrative, but I dont. Im looking at it from a simple numbers perspective and its really bad historically for that moron (chump, not quinn). Ironically, you want to dismiss the 3 colossal failures I threw out because "offense" like that makes one bit of difference.

I'll say again, using chump as a justification for basically anything other than firing someone is about as pumper as you can get. It's unbelievable we are even having this conversation. Fire away with your last remarks, I've grown tired of this ridiculous and unnecessary argument.

You're all over the place Durty. My point had nothing to with staffing generally or coaching ability. It was a really simple point limited to recruiting acumen. Numerous posters have cited chimp as a great recruiter (you may disagree), ergo, I think it's reasonable that maybe he is a good judge of a coach's and/or staff member's ability from a recruiting stand point. I thought this was kind of obvious since Hughes doesn't coach, so the only relevant metric would be recruiting. Trob and Durkin were good recruiters (as you acknowledge), no doubt Quinn was, and I'm sure there were other capable recruiters that he hired, as he consistently pulled Rivals top 5-10 classes.

As for SC, since I don't follow the cocks like you do, I'll take your word for it that he has reprised his Florida coaching staff (though I thought Durkin was head coach at Maryland?). Anyway, wouldn't the fact that his most recent class was terrible bolster the argument that Hughes, as the missing link, really does provide value from a recruiting perspective.

I acknowledge the 3 failures you pointed out, but I'm not sure they negate the point that chimp could recruit and maybe he knows a good recruiter when he sees one.

Finally, I get that nuance isn't really appreciated here. If you want to make strident statements like "using chump as a justification for anything other firing someone is about as pumper you can get", that's fine, and I guess I'm a pumper. We can agree to disagree.
 

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They may do great, they may suck. That's why they play the games. All else is opinion and speculation.
 

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Bama's current o-line coach (coaches guards/centers) was hired from UCF. Clemson's o-line coach was hired from Vandy. Michigan's o-line coach was hired by Stanford in 07 from San Diego and I don't mean the Chargers. This isn't out of the norm it seems.

Jim Harbaugh was hired by Stanford from San Diego....and I don't mean the Chargers.

Urban Meyer was hired by UF from Utah, before Utah was a P5 school.

Spurrier was hired by UF from Duke.

And Vandy to Clemson isn't unusual for a position coach. That's SEC/P5 to ACC/P5.

Saban has a ton of former "analysts" that he likes to hire. His current DC started as an "analyst", then became his DB coach, went to FSU and DC, to UGA as DC, and back to Bama as DC.

But, I agree w/ you to an extent. I think the issue is that we waited 2 months for one of these hires and several weeks for the other....and we get a $93,000/year coach from a no-name school. I really don't mind the Bell hire though.
 

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But, I agree w/ you to an extent. I think the issue is that we waited 2 months for one of these hires and several weeks for the other....and we get a $93,000/year coach from a no-name school. I really don't mind the Bell hire though.

I'm just trying to find some positives. This guy could have been hired a long time ago. I bet he wasn't even in Mac's top 5. I'm not worried at all about his coaching. That seems solid. His recruiting however, we have no idea. There's no history there to dig into.
 

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People are being hired away after 1-2 months at their jobs(Bell is one of those). That garbage about contracts was stupid. Either Mac was turned down or he didn't want the recruits to know that we were hiring nobodies.
 

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I'm just trying to find some positives. This guy could have been hired a long time ago. I bet he wasn't even in Mac's top 5. I'm not worried at all about his coaching. That seems solid. His recruiting however, we have no idea. There's no history there to dig into.

Word.

Hopefully he can recruit. He's a "motivational speaker" and he comes from some smaller schools that are hard to recruit to...so that may make him work harder. I'm sure he's heard the "who the hell is this guy?" comments, so hopefully he comes in w/ a chip on his shoulder.

One other thing....and this is taboo to talk about: he's a black coach. I know that's not "PC", but I don't care. I think it's smart to have diversity on the staff and when you have a dud like Nord, you need an energetic young guy to off-set that. And let's face it, 80% of our roster is young black kids and it can't hurt for them to have someone who is (a) from where they come from (geographically and mentally) and (b) someone they can relate to. A lot of kids "from the hood" have really never had a relationship w/ an older white guy. It's just a fact of life.
 

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If we got Craig, we'd be the favorite for a lot of La talent, between him, Skipper, and Davis
Craig is actually a good Florida recruiter. They got some good WR's when he was at Auburn.
 

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I'm just trying to find some positives. This guy could have been hired a long time ago. I bet he wasn't even in Mac's top 5. I'm not worried at all about his coaching. That seems solid. His recruiting however, we have no idea. There's no history there to dig into.
He's never coached in the sec. Him being a good coach isn't exactly a lock.
 

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