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One of my FAVORITE players ever. He easily led the the kick team in tackles. What a beast he was.
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Actually there is NO argument for Fred Taylor. Fred Taylor was no better than the RBs UF has now until the last 2.5 games of his career at UF. At SoCar that year the light came on and he started running better. He continued that against FSU, though easily could have been the goat for early fumbles had UF not come back to win. He then had a huge game against PSU who UF's QB got hurt and PSU had small defensive tackles.
On everything else you are spot on in my view and I understand you were just responding on the Fred Taylor issue and I agree it has to be Emmitt Smith or Errict Rhett.
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He and Louis Oliver together were lethal. I think Jarvis played with and came from Palatka like John L Williams (another great who had a real career in Seattle)
I remember one game he made the tackle on 3 kickoffs. Was he the one that also kicked old style straight on? I know he was a yankee boy and played LB in HS.
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The problem is we had many DTs that could rush the passers AND play the run. Brown couldnt. Also his stats were largely bc he played early, just like Leak.
Stats are important but stats dont make Leak THE best QB at UF either.
I agree with you stats should trump raw talent (ie Carlos Dunlap) or maybe a better pro career (ie Kearse as a DE).
I dont consider Brown THE best DE but he is certainly in that "as good as anyone ever to play at UF" boat. But so are Bullard and Fowler and many others.
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I don't disagree with you view on stats v. NFL career v. perceived talent, ie measureables. Brown also played when UF was generally way ahead most of the game and the other team was constantly passing. Still the one game comment does not hold if when you remove that one game he still leads UF in the stat he ran up in that game.
BTW, the Leak analogy falls down because he does not lead UF in a meaningful QB stat. I do agree that passing yards and sacks are totals and can be misleading. The difference is that with QBs you have lots of other more meaningful stats to see how good they are. It would be interesting to have career tackle stats to go along with the sack stats on the all time leaders for UF.
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Not clear what you mean here. It's not like he was brought in for obvious passing situations and sent back to the bench. Teams didn't just go pass happy when we were ahead, esp in the first half. Was he great at chasing the QB? No doubt. Was he a great run stopper or consistently engaged? That's where I'm a bit ambivalent on Brown.
Not clear what you mean here. It's not like he was brought in for obvious passing situations and sent back to the bench. Teams didn't just go pass happy when we were ahead, esp in the first half. Was he great at chasing the QB? No doubt. Was he a great run stopper or consistently engaged? That's where I'm a bit ambivalent on Brown.
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Terry Jackson was arguably better than Fred most of his career. It certainly wasn't clear cut and we didn't miss Fred when he was suspended for his various thefts or whatever.
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The more the opponent passes the more opportunities a DE has for a sack. The further ahead your team is the more you can focus on pass rushing and ignor the run.
Teams certainly did pass more in the first half against Spurrier teams because they knew if they did not try to score points from the openning kickoff they would fall too far behind to win. I guess a few guys like Tubberville at Mississippi in the famous 28-10 game were willing to run out the clock from the openning kickoff so that they would not lose too badly, but in general teams tried to score more against Spurrier teams because they knew that had to score more to stay in the game.
The bottom line here is that if we had (player sacks)/(opponent pass attempts + opponent sacks given up) we would have sack rate which would be a better number. Of course it would be a tiny number that many fans might not understand so maybe opponent pass plays per player sack, ie (opponent pass attempts + opponent sacks given up)/(player sacks) we would have a better measure of who was the best in this category.
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Exactly. Fred Taylor always had those NFL measurables and that led to him being taken in the top 10 of the NFL draft. I was frankly surprised that he had the NFL career he did, but it just goes to show that once the light came on for him and he started running lower to the ground it stayed on and he was very good.
On the other hand Terry Jackson was really good from almost the time he came to UF and the staff had thoughts of wasting him at LB. He was certainly one of my all time favorites.
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I like your edits.
I was at Wes Chandler's coming out party vs. SMU, sat in the old north stands. That guy was magic. I am a bit too young to remember Alvarez but of course love the history and an A+++ guy all around.
Mike Pete is one of my all time favorite players, super consistent & his stuff of "Pooh Bear" Williams in the 1st NCG set the tone. We've had so many great LBs - but Kearse was such a scary athlete.
I've read the Alex Brown discussion that followed. But I remember him covering Shaun Alexander on a wheel route in the 1999 regular season game vs. Bama & tipping the ball away waaay downfield. Not sure how many DEs make that play. (Pardon any bad memories I may have stirred up of Darrell "DON'T TRY TO FIELD THAT #%*&$ PUNT" Jackson. Or "Could somebody PLEASE cover Feddy Millons just once, please? Because they are going to throw it to him on 3rd down EVERY TIME!)
Big Money - he was special. Confession: the name I left off was Dock Luckie.
Dock wasn't the most productive guy we've ever had at DT but I love that guy. He was very nice to me the times I met him and remembered me when I stopped him to introduce my kids years later. First meeting, I was sitting on the wall at GPA in mid-July. The lights went out. I looked up and there was Dock in a pair of white sneakers, white shorts (1980's shorts lol) and a white Gillian hat. No shirt, muscles bulging over muscles. I looked up and said, "Hi Dock!" He replied, "Hot. Really hot." We talked for a little while, and from then on he'd always wave or speak to me when we'd pass anywhere. I won't go into his whole story, but I was so happy when he got his degree and trashed the false narrative of the big lummox.
Lomas Brown story: Met him at a Pike house party. He was very gracious, then some guy who was about 5'10", 200lbs came up and started screaming in his face and challenging him to a fight. Lomas just held his hands up and kept saying, "Let it go, man. Let it go." He could have bent that guy like a paper clip. He didn't.
Tim Newton - I was coming out of the double doors at Matherly while he was coming in. I had to pin myself against the door jamb so he could squeeze by.
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Theo, are you a Pike?
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Man, Wes Chandler and Dan Fouts were awesome together later on in the NFL. I actually liked the NFL in those days.
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The 98 team would have been a beast of a team like the 08 team was if SOS had been able to get the O settled down.
The parts were there but they never got it going on O.
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I seem to recall his playing time being limited by asthma as well.
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Spot on, those guys would be on my team
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I'd give SOS serious consideration at QB. I watched him play all those games at Florida Field and all Gators believed when he stepped on the gridiron.
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