It's All About the Money

[jdh5484]

Sports moves UFs meter?

Sports is a rounding error at UF.

Cheeseburger Charlie was a rounding error at UF.

 

[AugustaGator]

Hamburger Charlie was a rounding error at UF.

Actually, I really used the wrong phrase, it's a secondary consideration, not really a rounding error. It is a little larger than that.

 

[Gator2222]

That's pretty sobering. Do you know if the accounting methods are apples to apples?

Each institution self reports so I am assuming that the methods vary somewhat.

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

Thanks for the response, my many years of experience indicate to me that you have to select the correct people and those don't just come due to money. You need the right facilities to achieve your goals and the right strategy and tactics to achieve them.

Sure money has its place but if money was the only factor say Solyndra would have been a massive success.

This is how things work in reality, perhaps we don't have the right AD or HBC, but just spending more money will not fix any of our issues.

Certainly we need to also be smart about how we spend the money and if we were close to the top programs I could understand looking at other factors. In this case we're spending half. There's no way to spin that as not being an issue.

 

[jdh5484]

Actually, I really used the wrong phrase, it's a secondary consideration, not really a rounding error. It is a little larger than that.

I got what you were saying. LOL.

 

[Gatorraid81]

Part 2

The numbers show that the Gators spend more than most of the SEC on all sports. However, football is king. How do the Gators stack up when it comes to football spending?

Football Spending Per Scholarship Football Player
Auburn $511,745
LSU $427,669
Tennessee $380,598
Alabama $347,050
Ole Miss $321,841
USC $304,504
Arkansas $301,878
UGA $293,724
Missouri $258,024
Texas A&M $244,594
Florida $227,836
Kentucky $189,815
Mississippi State $175,954

So we do in fact spend less on football per scholarship player than almost every other SEC team. I find it very odd that Auburn outspends everyone else by a wide margin. Even odder is the fact that Alabama is fourth on that list and Ole Miss spends almost as much as the Tide.


Football Coaching Salaries Per Scholarship Football Player
LSU $126,745
Auburn $107,944
Alabama $108,265
Missouri $95,126
USC $94,376
Texas A&M $87,298
UGA $86,167
Tennessee $82,558
Arkansas $82,523
Ole Miss $71,802
Florida $65,343
Mississippi State $65,040
Kentucky $60,406

The coaching salaries numbers don't include support staff (ex: Saban's 40 analysts).

Total Debt Outstanding on Athletic Facilities
Ole Miss $62,911,862
Arkansas $71,737,565
Mississippi State $80,773,541
Missouri $81,268,862
Florida $84,710,000
UGA $106,813,431
Auburn $109,408,700
Kentucky $119,039,963
USC $119,250,000
Alabama $160,726,840
Tennessee $182,598,930
LSU $193,334,531
Texas A&M $308,269,067

This is the silver lining. Pretty much all of the schools that are outspending us are up to their ears in debt. Tennessee pays $19,336,406 in debt service every year. Many of these schools are simply not going to be able to go further in debt to continue updating. As the Gators start upgrading the facilities under Stricklin we should be able to surpass our rivals. Hopefully, Stricklin is listening to McElwain and makes this a priority.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
http://spendingdatabase.knightcommission.org/

What about how we compare to Fsu on these specific numbers, I bet they are outspending us in these areas as well. Which should never happen, but then again we should not be so low in these numbers to begin with. Thanks Jeremy!

 

[AugustaGator]

Incidentally, does anybody know how many non-coach assistants we have working recruiting etc. ? Seems to me a saw a post that said we had 6, F$U 10 and bama 15.

This is my understanding too...and has been this way for many years now...

 

[ChiefGator]

What is also is true is that quite often you DO get what you pay for. Obviously the money has to be spent wisely but if you keep buying "diamonds in the rough" you are going to end up with one hell of a lot of coal.

I agree of course and perhaps we have not been spending enough. Now I greatly believe that say no matter how much money you might offer some coaches are not coming to UF. Some work for other schools where they are happy and can get the same or more money. Some are just not interested. Do you think that SOS can be bought when he desires to be retired?

 

[Thick&ThinG8r]

Foleys were not getting in an arms race statement really pisses me off who does he think started the arms race. First the south endzone expansion then the north next the first million dollar coach (Spurrier ) followed by new sky boxes and the champions club.
It was enough to get us on top and make Alabama abandon Birmingham and expand bryant-denny and what is Foleys response, we're not getting in an arms race smfh.

 

[Double Gator Dad]

The UAA will get my money again, if...and only if I see that it is being directed to something I give a Sh!t about.

I am with you on this. The last thing the UAA needs is more money to spend poorly.
Maybe we can pay Urban or Muschamp some more money or contribute the remaining funds to the Engineering department. Everybody knows that football players choose schools based upon the strength of the engineering department.

 

[Gator2222]

What about how we compare to Fsu on these specific numbers, I bet they are outspending us in these areas as well. Which should never happen, but then again we should not be so low in these numbers to begin with. Thanks Jeremy!

National Rank Revenue Expenses
6. Florida $147,105,242 $125,384,443
13. FSU $120,822,522 $111,386,681

Athletic Spending Per Athlete
Florida $225,700
FSU $205,971

Athletic Spending Without Football Spending Per Athlete
Florida $177,882
FSU $137,520

Institutional Funding for Athletics per Athlete
Florida State University $16,626
Florida $8,865

Total Coaching Salaries for All Sports
Florida $20,206,975
Florida State University $17,020,714

Football Spending per Football Player
Florida State University $280,825
Florida $177,399

Football Spending per Scholarship Football Player
Florida State University $369,174
Florida $227,836

Football Spending without Scholarship Expenses per Football Player
Florida State University $255,448
Florida $157,323

Football Spending without Scholarship Expenses per Scholarship Football Player
Florida State University $335,814
Florida $202,052

Football Coaching Salaries per Football Player
Florida State University $65,277
Florida $50,878

Football Coaching Salaries per Scholarship Football Player
Florida State University $85,814
Florida $65,343

Total Debt Outstanding on Athletic Facilities
Florida State University $0
Florida $84,710,000

FSU infamously uses state money to build it's athletics facilities by using loopholes such as putting classrooms in the stadium, thus $0 debt.

 

[AugustaGator]

Total Debt Outstanding on Athletic Facilities
Florida State University $0
Florida $84,710,000

FSU infamously uses state money to build it's athletics facilities by using loopholes such as putting classrooms in the stadium, thus $0 debt.

They do it thru other means as well. A fair amount donated by alumni. Some may be questionable

 

[Gator2222]

Incidentally, does anybody know how many non-coach assistants we have working recruiting etc. ? Seems to me a saw a post that said we had 6, F$U 10 and bama 15.

"The arms race was in facilities and now it's in staff members," said ESPN's Mack Brown, the former Texas coach.

"We identified an area that we were deficit as compared to the teams that are in the national championship hunt every year, the Alabamas, the Clemsons, the Ohio States, the Florida States of the world," Herman said, later adding "we're going to get an army down there just like rest of the big boys in college football do."

TCU recently added a social media coordinator to it's support staff. Their sole job is to enhance the school's profile in recruiting.

"Depending on your view, Alabama coach Nick Saban deserves the credit or the blame for the growth in staff size. NCAA rules limit schools to nine full-time assistants to work with players in practice, as well as four graduate assistants - staffers also pursing advanced degrees.

Shortly after arriving at Alabama before the 2007 season, Saban began his empire-building."

"He has the best and most powerful infrastructure in college football," Brown said. "He's changed everything."

"While analysts, personnel directors and quality control personnel can't be involved in practice, they can break down film, chart tendencies, evaluate recruits and a whole host of useful duties. The background can range from former college and high school coaches to the NFL."

As an analyst, Sarkisian's focus was breaking down third down plays. Saban had a full time ex-HBC that did nothing but work on 3rd downs.

"Well, my daily duties previously as an analyst, we'd still watch a lot of tape, still try to game plan, then offer up as much advice as I could to the game plan, then to the coaches," Sarkisian said before the championship game. "Then it was more sit back and analyze how we were performing."

CBS Sports reported that Alabama spent slightly more than $800,000 on football support staff in 2005-06. The latest figure is $2.7 million for 2013-14.

"That one analyst that finds that one nugget that makes you call that one play because you saw that one tip in that one alignment and your DB steps in front of the pass for the game-winning interception," Herman said. "It was worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars to win that championship game on that play."

In my opinion, this is the area that the Gators really need to focus on and invest in. We need a larger and highly qualified support staff.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...s-staff-leading-uts-herman-seek-army-analysts

 

[Gator2222]

They do it thru other means as well. A fair amount donated by alumni. Some may be questionable

Capital contributions are major gifts designated by the donors for facility construction, renovations and equipment purchases.

2012 Capital Contributions
FSU $8,260,295
Florida $7,985,000

2013 Capital Contributions
Florida $11,298,000
FSU $7,000,000

2014 Capital Contributions
FSU $8,300,000
Florida $5,252,000

Those contributions aren't nearly enough for major facilities improvement with zero debt.

http://www.fa.ufl.edu/wp-content/uploads/ga/2014_University_Athletic_Assoc_Audited_FS.pdf
https://admin.xosn.com/fls/32900/pdf/FSU Athletics Annual Report 2014.pdf

 

[ThreatMatrix]

"The arms race was in facilities and now it's in staff members," said ESPN's Mack Brown, the former Texas coach.

"We identified an area that we were deficit as compared to the teams that are in the national championship hunt every year, the Alabamas, the Clemsons, the Ohio States, the Florida States of the world," Herman said, later adding "we're going to get an army down there just like rest of the big boys in college football do."

TCU recently added a social media coordinator to it's support staff. Their sole job is to enhance the school's profile in recruiting.

"Depending on your view, Alabama coach Nick Saban deserves the credit or the blame for the growth in staff size. NCAA rules limit schools to nine full-time assistants to work with players in practice, as well as four graduate assistants - staffers also pursing advanced degrees.

Shortly after arriving at Alabama before the 2007 season, Saban began his empire-building."

"He has the best and most powerful infrastructure in college football," Brown said. "He's changed everything."

"While analysts, personnel directors and quality control personnel can't be involved in practice, they can break down film, chart tendencies, evaluate recruits and a whole host of useful duties. The background can range from former college and high school coaches to the NFL."

As an analyst, Sarkisian's focus was breaking down third down plays. Saban had a full time ex-HBC that did nothing but work on 3rd downs.

"Well, my daily duties previously as an analyst, we'd still watch a lot of tape, still try to game plan, then offer up as much advice as I could to the game plan, then to the coaches," Sarkisian said before the championship game. "Then it was more sit back and analyze how we were performing."

CBS Sports reported that Alabama spent slightly more than $800,000 on football support staff in 2005-06. The latest figure is $2.7 million for 2013-14.

"That one analyst that finds that one nugget that makes you call that one play because you saw that one tip in that one alignment and your DB steps in front of the pass for the game-winning interception," Herman said. "It was worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars to win that championship game on that play."

In my opinion, this is the area that the Gators really need to focus on and invest in. We need a larger and highly qualified support staff.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...s-staff-leading-uts-herman-seek-army-analysts

There's a number that doesn't show up when comparing staffs. Yeah 'bama spends a million more than us on paying coaches but how much more do they spend on analysts and QA specialists?

 

[AugustaGator]

Capital contributions are major gifts designated by the donors for facility construction, renovations and equipment purchases.

2012 Capital Contributions
FSU $8,260,295
Florida $7,985,000

2013 Capital Contributions
Florida $11,298,000
FSU $7,000,000

2014 Capital Contributions
FSU $8,300,000
Florida $5,252,000

Those contributions aren't nearly enough for major facilities improvement with zero debt.

http://www.fa.ufl.edu/wp-content/uploads/ga/2014_University_Athletic_Assoc_Audited_FS.pdf
https://admin.xosn.com/fls/32900/pdf/FSU Athletics Annual Report 2014.pdf

On par with us was a major point. The other was a little clouded saying the rest methods were questionable.

 

[AugustaGator]

Capital contributions are major gifts designated by the donors for facility construction, renovations and equipment purchases.

2012 Capital Contributions
FSU $8,260,295
Florida $7,985,000

2013 Capital Contributions
Florida $11,298,000
FSU $7,000,000

2014 Capital Contributions
FSU $8,300,000
Florida $5,252,000

Those contributions aren't nearly enough for major facilities improvement with zero debt.

http://www.fa.ufl.edu/wp-content/uploads/ga/2014_University_Athletic_Assoc_Audited_FS.pdf
https://admin.xosn.com/fls/32900/pdf/FSU Athletics Annual Report 2014.pdf

And we are losing the battle in Tally.

 

[jdh5484]

"The arms race was in facilities and now it's in staff members," said ESPN's Mack Brown, the former Texas coach.

"We identified an area that we were deficit as compared to the teams that are in the national championship hunt every year, the Alabamas, the Clemsons, the Ohio States, the Florida States of the world," Herman said, later adding "we're going to get an army down there just like rest of the big boys in college football do."

TCU recently added a social media coordinator to it's support staff. Their sole job is to enhance the school's profile in recruiting.

"Depending on your view, Alabama coach Nick Saban deserves the credit or the blame for the growth in staff size. NCAA rules limit schools to nine full-time assistants to work with players in practice, as well as four graduate assistants - staffers also pursing advanced degrees.

Shortly after arriving at Alabama before the 2007 season, Saban began his empire-building."

"He has the best and most powerful infrastructure in college football," Brown said. "He's changed everything."

"While analysts, personnel directors and quality control personnel can't be involved in practice, they can break down film, chart tendencies, evaluate recruits and a whole host of useful duties. The background can range from former college and high school coaches to the NFL."

As an analyst, Sarkisian's focus was breaking down third down plays. Saban had a full time ex-HBC that did nothing but work on 3rd downs.

"Well, my daily duties previously as an analyst, we'd still watch a lot of tape, still try to game plan, then offer up as much advice as I could to the game plan, then to the coaches," Sarkisian said before the championship game. "Then it was more sit back and analyze how we were performing."

CBS Sports reported that Alabama spent slightly more than $800,000 on football support staff in 2005-06. The latest figure is $2.7 million for 2013-14.

"That one analyst that finds that one nugget that makes you call that one play because you saw that one tip in that one alignment and your DB steps in front of the pass for the game-winning interception," Herman said. "It was worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars to win that championship game on that play."

In my opinion, this is the area that the Gators really need to focus on and invest in. We need a larger and highly qualified support staff.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...s-staff-leading-uts-herman-seek-army-analysts

Great find and post. I bolded and underlined the key point (IMO). Saban and Co. are very good business strategists. Getting football bang for the buck by thinking outside the box. The game behind the game has changed significantly. We are so far behind Bamma in so many categories - it's daunting. It's going to be a few years folks.

 

[Gatorraid81]

National Rank Revenue Expenses
6. Florida $147,105,242 $125,384,443
13. FSU $120,822,522 $111,386,681

Athletic Spending Per Athlete
Florida $225,700
FSU $205,971

Athletic Spending Without Football Spending Per Athlete
Florida $177,882
FSU $137,520

Institutional Funding for Athletics per Athlete
Florida State University $16,626
Florida $8,865

Total Coaching Salaries for All Sports
Florida $20,206,975
Florida State University $17,020,714

Football Spending per Football Player
Florida State University $280,825
Florida $177,399

Football Spending per Scholarship Football Player
Florida State University $369,174
Florida $227,836

Football Spending without Scholarship Expenses per Football Player
Florida State University $255,448
Florida $157,323

Football Spending without Scholarship Expenses per Scholarship Football Player
Florida State University $335,814
Florida $202,052

Football Coaching Salaries per Football Player
Florida State University $65,277
Florida $50,878

Football Coaching Salaries per Scholarship Football Player
Florida State University $85,814
Florida $65,343

Total Debt Outstanding on Athletic Facilities
Florida State University $0
Florida $84,710,000

FSU infamously uses state money to build it's athletics facilities by using loopholes such as putting classrooms in the stadium, thus $0 debt.

Then why the hell don't we stick a classroom in the swamp and get the state as well. It may well be underhanded to do that, but I got to admit that's the kind of forward thinking I wish the UF administration would have and not always worry about doing what right. Don't know if we'll ever catch Fsu in football again.

 

[AugustaGator]

And people speak of the ****ter that morality is in....