Joe Montana / Tom Brady: Namath Speaks

[Gatorwitt]

Alvin, couldn't you have just asked "Who's Better"? Instead of writing 3 paragraphs asking the exact same thing?

 

[Alvin York]

Alvin, couldn't you have just asked "Who's Better"? Instead of writing 3 paragraphs asking the exact same thing?

Yes, I could have but my Mother Teresa spirit of humanity guided me to use statistics to better inform our unfortunate less educated jort clad folks of the sunshine state.

 

[MJMGator]

Yes, I could have but my Mother Teresa spirit of humanity guided me to use statistics to better inform our unfortunate less educated jort clad folks of the sunshine state.

This should keep you busy for a while, but don't pull that little fella off!

 

[GatorJB]

Perhaps. Perhaps not.

What astonishes me is Montana's average QB rating of 127.8 along with 11 touchdowns with no interceptions. I don't think those records will ever be broken.

We already know that Brady has more post season wins, but another thing I forgot to mention that Brady also has significantly more regular season wins (43 more) than Montana. And that's with Brady playing 15 seasons and Montana 16. Interesting that they both have the same number of losses (47), but the win to loss ratio isn't even close. Looks like Montana was more injury prone than Brady since he had played fewer games, so that probably hurt Montana's total win record. Still it is unlikely that he'd have more wins than Brady.

Anyways, when you compare both regular and post season stats and records, Brady clearly has the upper hand.

 

[TheDouglas78]

We already know that Brady has more post season wins, but another thing I forgot to mention that Brady also has significantly more regular season wins (43 more) than Montana. And that's with Brady playing 15 seasons and Montana 16. Interesting that they both have the same number of losses (47), but the win to loss ratio isn't even close. Looks like Montana was more injury prone than Brady since he had played fewer games, so that probably hurt Montana's total win record. Still it is unlikely that he'd have more wins than Brady.

Anyways, when you compare both regular and post season stats and records, Brady clearly has the upper hand.

Brady also plays in an era where it's illegal to hit the quarterback. Montana would get crushed by defenses...

 

[Alvin York]

Another issue is that Montana benefited from a system that was way ahead of everybody else.

Settle down, I'm now saying Montana was a system QB. He would have thrived on any other team in the NFL during his era (or any other era).

BUT...he did have the advantage of being in this system that revolutionized passing offenses in the NFL. It really wasn't until the advent of the zone blitz scheme and the Tampa Cover 2 defense that defenses caught up with the West Coast offense.

When Bill Walsh first rolled that thing out it was unstoppable.

Additionally, Montana had Jerry Rice and Roger Craig. Both perfect for that offense. Even on defense he had Ronnie Lott.

Brady won Super Bowls with a lot of average talent around him but he played in an NFL with a lot of average teams in it. Montana was on a great team that had to play against a few other great teams.

The only way to answer this question is to reverse their roles, imagine Tom Brady as the Niners QB in the 80's and 90's and Joe Montana as the Pats QB in the 00's and 10's.

I think Brady does the same or a bit better as a Bill Walsh Niner. I think Montana does a shade worse as a Belichik Patriot.

Alex.

Insightful.

Yes, Montana was fortunate to have his career intersect the rising of the West Coast Offense as envisioned by innovative Bill Walsh. Joe had Jerry Rice. It can't be overstated the dude had Jerry Rice to catch his passes. He also had a clutch virtual 4th receiver in running back, Roger Craig along with an unsung, all pro tight end.

There's another big advantage for Joe Montana. He did not have to face larger number of good teams that Brady had to endure because of the parity built into today's NFL by the draft, free agency and other factors.

 

[Gatorwitt]

Yes, I could have but my Mother Teresa spirit of humanity guided me to use statistics to better inform our unfortunate less educated jort clad folks of the sunshine state.

Mother Teresa was an idiot, and not a good person

 

[Alvin York]

Forgot about Luck. He is leaps and bounds better than Manning. Add him to my list too

Florida folks!

Man, you just will not give Peyton a break, will you? Sometimes I think your hate is so all consuming you would rather join Isis than admit Peyton Manning was one of the great quarterbacks of this era.

 

[MJMGator]

Florida folks!

Man, you just will not give Peyton a break, will you? Sometimes I think your hate is so all consuming you would rather join Isis than admit Peyton Manning was one of the great quarterbacks of this era.

Like you've seen for yourself, Peyton is nothing more than a stat padder. He folds like a cheap tent when it counts.

 

[Hotrod]

Alvin York was a true American hero who the whole country and the state of Tenn. should be justly proud of and honor. You using his name is an injustice to his honor and memory. Stop boring us with your stupid rhetoric. I can't even remember the last time the Vols beat the Gators. Go away and don't come back until you have something intelligent to say. If I use the word intelligent that means you will never be back.

 

[TN G8tr]

Alvin York was a true American hero who the whole country and the state of Tenn. should be justly proud of and honor. You using his name is an injustice to his honor and memory. Stop boring us with your stupid rhetoric. I can't even remember the last time the Vols beat the Gators. Go away and don't come back until you have something intelligent to say. If I use the word intelligent that means you will never be back.

You are correct. Having the Dork associated with an American Hero and his bullshat are definitely an injustice.

 

[Alvin York]

Who gained status as the first quarterback SUPERSTAR in American sports?

Who is the one man most responsible for making the Super Bowl the all star extravaganza it is today?

Who is the controversial player who brazenly predicted his underdog team would accomplish the impossible and defeat a an invincible juggernaut NFL football team that was touted to be the best of all time?

His name was Joseph William Namath, the quarterback who engineered in New York Jets team to take out the mighty Baltimore Colts thereby giving instant parity to the AFL with the NFL and giving birth to a viable contested Super Bowl between the teams of the Old Guard NFL and the upstart AFL.

Now Namath has waded into the debate about Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Who is the greatest quarterback. What do YOU say, Joe?

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articl...image_18270188

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/13/joe-namath-tom-brady-super-bowl-xlix-nfl/

 

[rogdochar]

The heroic Sergeant Alvin York used absolutely no rhetoric.
In fact, I think this York has been captured by Sergeant York.

 

[TN G8tr]

This thread has run its course, time for solitary.

 

[Alvin York]

I know the scales are starting to dip in Brady's favor but I just can't get past these numbers Montana accumulated from 4 Super Bowls.....

11 Touchdowns
0 Interceptions
127.8 QB Rating​

 

[TN G8tr]

 

[78]

Brady's a lock for the Hall, but the pick here is solid for Montana, the most clutch and efficient passer I've ever seen.

 

[GatorJ]

Much harder to win Super Bowls now. But there are more QB and offense friendly rules.

Both are the best of their generations. Just like Unitas was the best of his. Brady isn't tainted but his legacy is tainted with Spygate. He would have to win 2 more because of that to be #1. Which sounds absurd but it really shows how great he, Montana, and Unitas are. That we're talking 6 Super Bowl victories (8 appearances at least) to be crowned as the best ever demonstrates how high the bar is.

 

[RocketCityGator]

Incorrect. There never was a debate.

This! What debate?

 

[Alvin York]

Much harder to win Super Bowls now. But there are more QB and offense friendly rules.

Both are the best of their generations. Just like Unitas was the best of his. Brady isn't tainted but his legacy is tainted with Spygate. He would have to win 2 more because of that to be #1. Which sounds absurd but it really shows how great he, Montana, and Unitas are. That we're talking 6 Super Bowl victories (8 appearances at least) to be crowned as the best ever demonstrates how high the bar is.

Remember, Johnny U played when there relatively few cities touting NFL franchises plus only a few organizations could produce competitive championship caliber teams. Do you really think Unitas could decipher the complicated defenses and deal with the rampant parity in this era of the National Football League? I really don't know. Just asking.