Who is our new coach?

[Swamp Donkey]

No. I can't really tell if you are messing with me. The damage suffered by the university is the cost of hiring another coach, which could be substantial. Maybe salaries of interims etc. Reprinting posters of the new coach, plenty of costs are involved.

Let's put it another way, say you contract for a roofer to do your roof. Roofer agrees to do it for 10,000. Roofer starts then quits. You have to hire another roofer to finish it, he also charges you 10,000 but in the mean time you had to pay someone $1000 to bring a tarp and temporarily keep the water out while you bid the second contract. What are your damages? $10,000? Of course not.

The parties could agree to a number but it would still have to be a rational number.

Most states view restrictive covenants that restrain trade unfavorably, and these buyout clauses are all just that.

 

[williston_gator]

@TKDesignz: Time Bring Some Frost To Gainesville #GoGators #UF #NCAA #ChompChomp

 

[crosscreekcooter]

No. I can't really tell if you are messing with me. The damage suffered by the university is the cost of hiring another coach, which could be substantial. Maybe salaries of interims etc. Reprinting posters of the new coach, plenty of costs are involved.

Let's put it another way, say you contract for a roofer to do your roof. Roofer agrees to do it for 10,000. Roofer starts then quits. You have to hire another roofer to finish it, he also charges you 10,000 but in the mean time you had to pay someone $1000 to bring a tarp and temporarily keep the water out while you bid the second contract. What are your damages? $10,000? Of course not.

The parties could agree to a number but it would still have to be a rational number.

Most states view restrictive covenants that restrain trade unfavorably, and these buyout clauses are all just that.

Problem with this analogy is our roofer didn't quit, we are firing him. In your case roofer #1 would be in the hook for any costs above and beyond the original contract amount,

 

[Gatormac2112]

I like Frost ALOT better than Norvell. He has been taught by some pretty impressive names: Bill Walsh, Tom Osborne, Bill Belechick, Bill Parcels and Jon Gruden (thanks wikipedia) and has extensive knowledge playing and coaching on both sides of the ball. Norvell's resume pales in comparison.

 

[soflagator]

Problem with this analogy is our roofer didn't quit, we are firing him. In your case roofer #1 would be in the hook for any costs above and beyond the original contract amount,

I somewhat disagree. We are firing him because he did quit. He has openly shown that he can’t do this with all of the elements involved. And then he lies to make himself feel better.

People always say that teams take on the mentality of their coach. Despite any faux bravado, our team clearly quit today.

I’m in the camp that we pay him a bit but not the whole thing. Bulls and UAA need to learn from this one or we’ll just do it again.

 

[ATXGator]

I am now in the Campbell camp, Guy has gone to Iowa State where they have nothing redeeming and has turned them around. Besides I just heard him say at his presser something like "If you fall in love with the process, good things will happen, etc." I want a process guy.

I am with you on Campbell. The guy is beating top 5 teams at ISU with a walk on QB!,,

 

[Chomper]

It was very obvious today that all McElwain has been doing this week is working on his sauce and collecting a paycheck from UF. Pathetic. The sooner he is gone, the sooner we can bring in a real football coach -- Norvell, Frost or Campbell would be my choices, though not necessarily in that order.

 

[divits]

Problem with this analogy is our roofer didn't quit, we are firing him. In your case roofer #1 would be in the hook for any costs above and beyond the original contract amount,

I get the legal aspects of it all, but it still blows my mind that only in coaching is "failing miserably at your job" not considered "cause".

If we're using roofers as an example, "McElwain Roofing and Gutters" handiwork would look something like this...

 

[soflagator]

I get the legal aspects of it all, but it still blows my mind that only in coaching is "failing miserably at your job" not considered "cause".

If we're using roofers as an example, "McElwain Roofing and Gutters" handiwork would look something like this...

“We were brought in to cover the roof with shingles and we haven’t done that...I get it...but I’ll tell ya, I’m proud of that little tree to the right...worked its tail off..and that’s what it’s all about.”

 

[ChiefGator]

Norvell took over as the HC of Memphis after Fuentes left. It’s only been a year and a half, but he’s done well in that short time. Pretty risky hire IMO.

I agree thinking that an offense that works against lesser defenses would work in the SEC is not a sure bet. Although to be truthful almost nobody is a sure bet today.

 

[GatorJB]

This lawyer dude is throwing his weight around like he's got a major in at the UAA. Maybe so. I don't agree with the assessment that Norvell is the best candidate. Memphis gives up way too many points. He hasn't recruited Florida.

If we're going to go fishing in the AAC, I'd prefer Frost.

In all fairness, Memphis has never had a great defense. Compared to previous Memphis teams, their current defense is pretty good.

I think Norvell is a good coach and is having a really good year, but he is a risky hire right now because of his inexperience both in coaching and recruiting. I agree Frost currently is the better hire, and I would be thrilled to have him as our next coach.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Problem with this analogy is our roofer didn't quit, we are firing him. In your case roofer #1 would be in the hook for any costs above and beyond the original contract amount,

Oh sorry, I wasnt clear. I was talking about ISUs alleged 10 mil buyout for Norvell.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I get the legal aspects of it all, but it still blows my mind that only in coaching is "failing miserably at your job" not considered "cause".

There is nothing of which I am aware that says it could not be. being 116th out of 131st it certainly is cause in most other fields.

Now, I'm way out of my field here and I'm just spitballing. In most areas there are form contracts, standard provisions, industry norms, previous courses of conduct and the like and standards within the business as to what's considered the normal interpretation for the provisions.

if you remember when they fired that coach at Oregon they essentially listed the for cause elements that they were using to fire him. some of those were performance-based including blowout losses.

also keep in mind that there are other things that will undoubtedly be included in the for cause allegations. there was the previous thing when he went to the Press with his facilities complaints and some other things which caused the rift with the ad. there is also some concerns over his handling of discipline including the credit card matter.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

I will start with a few:

I think I want: Matt Campbell

I would certainly find acceptable: Chip Kelly, Scott Frost, Dino, Barbers

I would find unacceptable: Dan Mullen, Steve Adazio,

 

[Gatorraid81]

And yet, all those names you mentioned, would be better than Mac.

 

[gat0rjay]

I will start with a few:

I think I want: Matt Campbell

I think this is also my #1 realistic choice.

I would certainly find acceptable: Chip Kelly, Scott Frost, Dino, Barbers

Agree on the first two - probably above Campbell if either were realistic - but think them both to be unlikely. Lots of other unlikelies I'd be happy with too...

I would add a fourth category here for the supposed candidates Babers & Norvell & Mullen of "I wouldn't be excited, but 100% better than where we're at now, so I would happily wait and see how they did."

I would find unacceptable: Dan Mullen, Steve Adazio,

Agree with Addazio, and can certainly understand why many would also feel that way about Mullen - they may be right...

 

[rogdochar]

I believe Frost's offense was the leading scoring offense averaging about 40 points per game & today they scored 73 points.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

Problem with this analogy is our roofer didn't quit, we are firing him. In your case roofer #1 would be in the hook for any costs above and beyond the original contract amount,

You have this backwards. Law is explaining it in terms of the school UF would be poaching a coach from. It is their damages.

His point is that school would be able to hire another coach. They would need a new name plate for the head coaches office. They might use a search firm. Still these costs are in the 10s of thousands of dollars, maybe six figures, but not in the millions of dollars.

More of a problem is that the school would sue the person that left not the hiring program. Still if for example McElwain had said screw you to CSU, to get huge damages they would have had to go into court and argue that McElwain was so much better than their current coach their damages from the breach were in the multiple 7 figures. I am not sure arguing in court that your current coach is much worse than your prior coach is something an athletic department wants to do.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

Apparently it’s $9.4 million at the end of this season (full remaining amount of the balance of his contract).

https://footballscoop.com/news/anyone-coming-matt-campbell-better-prepared-break-bank/

Well the guy who wrote this maybe missed a couple of things:

1. Campbell like McElwain might have a buyout exemption list. Campbell might have been smart enough to put UF on that list. I guess we may hear about that.

2. Campbell's base compensation for coaching football is $265,000. There are 4 years left on his contract maybe his buyout in one way of looking at it $1,060,000. He has some other guaranteed money but that is for secondary services provided. It sounds like he could quite as ISU football coach pay the buyout and offer to stay on and do the coaches show or go to booster club meetings. I am not sure if ISU really wants him doing their coaches show next year if he is the UF coach, but who knows. I am sure he could do back to back shows in a studio in Gainesville, one with UF highlights and one with ISU highlights.

3. These low base salaries in coaches contracts are so the coach can be fired with only the base salary as the buy out. So I think Campbell is in play.