OSU Saga: Meyer suspended for 3 games

[Swamp Donkey]

Maybe I misheard, but was it reported that the AD informed Urban? If so, who is he supposed to report it to?

Compliance.

It is why the AD is also suspended.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Urban Meyer joins Hillary Clinton in the Drive Wipe Hall of Fame.

Wiping a computer subject to a subpoena is called Obstruction of Justice for people who aren't important Dimocrats, just in case you were wondering.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

This is a political post in the sports forum. Please refrain from making such posts in the future. Thank you for your cooperation.

The funniest part is he thinks Im PC.

 

[alcoholica]

Compliance.

It is why the AD is also suspended.

Wouldn’t it be reasonable to assume that the AD had already notified compliance?

Just playing devils advocate, I don’t believe that’s how it went down at all.

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

The funniest part is he thinks Im PC.

The term "PC" gets thrown around so much in incorrect ways, but it's a fun buzzword. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Swamp Queen]

Instigator is either a troll or an absolutely despicable human being for even thinking for a moment that victims of abuse are responsible for their situation.

Absolutely nauseating posts throughout this thread.

Whether Meyer did anything wrong or not is one thing – but this idea that victims of abuse are responsible for their own abuse is putrid at its core.

Thank you for saying this.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

How dare you. This is modern America. You are not allowed to think. There is only one view allowed. You must follow the Donkey PC path or some snowflakes will never want to meet you.

The idea that others ALWAYS know for sure when the police can not make a case is preposterous. Some of this is due police and prosecutors being mad they can not make everything go exactly the way they want it. Some of it is the movement to try to make crimes committed against Democrats more serious than crimes committed against any others.

At this point, I think you believe youre somehow being cute. But just in case you are actually slow and don't understand:

IT DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH THE POLICE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH A CONVICTION IN CRIMINAL COURT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN THING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE WANTS TO DELUDE HIMSELF INTO THINKING THE POS IS INNOCENT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH HIS OWN INVESTIGATIVE SKILS OR DUTIES.

He has no duty to investigate a damn thing. When he hears an allegation of sexual harassment, abuse, rape, domestic battery, or violations of laws or rights, he has to contact the right people in compliance or internal affairs who will then handle the investigation. IT IS A FEDERAL LAW and he works for a university. They have briefed him on it. They are experienced investigators in compliance and/or internal affairs. They will decide what is true or false.

In this case they found that Zach Smith was a serial abuser and fired him. Most of the time allegations aren't substantiated, at least from my experience over the last 20 years doing these things in both the private sector and govt. However, IT WOULDNT MATTER in the slightest if Zach Smith were innocent or guilty, Leyer and several other faculty members had a duty to ensure it was reported.

It is simple as that and he is damn lucky the people in the state that turned their head in order to ignore a gang rape by a high school football team values football more than ethics.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

Instigator is either a troll or an absolutely despicable human being for even thinking for a moment that victims of abuse are responsible for their situation.

Absolutely nauseating posts throughout this thread.

Whether Meyer did anything wrong or not is one thing – but this idea that victims of abuse are responsible for their own abuse is putrid at its core.

Reading is a wonderful skill. You should try to learn about it. Then perhaps you could post something that is relevant to what was said in this thread.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Insti, as general counsel for the board, i'm advising you to use your right to remain silent.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

At this point, I think you believe youre somehow being cute. But just in case you are actually slow and don't understand:

IT DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH THE POLICE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH A CONVICTION IN CRIMINAL COURT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN THING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE WANTS TO DELUDE HIMSELF INTO THINKING THE POS IS INNOCENT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH HIS OWN INVESTIGATIVE SKILS OR DUTIES.

He has no duty to investigate a damn thing. When he hears an allegation of sexual harassment, abuse, rape, domestic battery, or violations of laws or rights, he has to contact the right people in compliance or internal affairs who will then handle the investigation. IT IS A FEDERAL LAW and he works for a university. They have briefed him on it. They are experienced investigators in compliance and/or internal affairs. They will decide what is true or false.

In this case they found that Zach Smith was a serial abuser and fired him. Most of the time allegations aren't substantiated, at least from my experience over the last 20 years doing these things in both the private sector and govt. However, IT WOULDNT MATTER in the slightest if Zach Smith were innocent or guilty, Leyer and several other faculty members had a duty to ensure it was reported.

It is simple as that and he is damn lucky the people in the state that turned their head in order to ignore a gang rape by a high school football team values football more than ethics.

Well I don't pretend to be an attorney on message boards like some people, but I do know what Findlaw is. They do not seem to think federal law requires more than the "patient be told if a (state) manditory report is going to be sent out."

Mandatory Reporting of Domestic Violence

Then that requirement is weakened by a mile wide exception.

Also Findlaw seems to think that generally manditory reporters are medical personnel. I doubt many legal descriptions of medical personnel included coaches, but who knows.

 

[NVGator]

Ok, so he didn’t report rumors that one of the guys that works for him may or may not have tuned his wife up a few times. That’s grounds to fire someone? I say BS.
What I want to know is if this went on for over a decade and the police were called more than once, then why was he never arrested? I mean, she had pictures, right? If she had visible injuries, then doesn’t any PD automatically haul the guys ass to jail? THAT’S the bigger problem IMO.
Lastly, why didn’t her parents or friends intervene? Why did she stay with a guy that routinely beats her ass and cheats on her. It just doesn’t add up IMO.

Holy schit MJM. I hope your wife don’t read this. You don’t think it’s in the judgment of the officers at the time to turn an eye on the situation? Hell, even Liar admittedly said he used bad judgment due to his heart and love for Smith.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Well I don't pretend to be an attorney on message boards like some people, but I do know what Findlaw is. They do not seem to think federal law requires more than the "patient be told if a (state) manditory report is going to be sent out."

Mandatory Reporting of Domestic Violence

Then that requirement is weakened by a mile wide exception.

Also Findlaw seems to think that generally manditory reporters are medical personnel. I doubt many legal descriptions of medical personnel included coaches, but who knows.

This is why you should do something other than try to practice law on the internet.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

This is why you should do something other than try to practice law on the internet.

Typical of a the fake message board attorney. Documentation that he is wrong, another retort but no documentation. You really should give up the fake attorney stuff, if you can't do it better than this.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

You should get on the phone w Leyer and tell him the investigation committee and his attorney got it wrong. Be sure to send your findlaw quote and analysis.

Id also charge him $500 an hour or so and demand a 25k retainer.

 

[rogdochar]

First, mentally, verbally, or physically abusing the weaker is something our society calls for prevention & punishment.
Going forward with punishment requires establishing all facts in all contexts. Has that been done in this case ?

Many times the family gives up because the woman refuses to follow through on these cases legally and keeps running back to the guy.

Correct. We don't know how persuasive this victim was in pleading to bystanders not to interfere decisively. Did she? This would comprise one of many facts not yet revealed ?

the mob that wants to act like the mobs of the French Revolution and turn on whomever is not in favor that day.

The #metoo movement does have toxic mob bandwagoneering in it - especially media "Mighty Mouses" in their puff-chest coming to the rescue.

I talk out of my ass like everyone else.

We are not butt ventriloquists here.

I will do it pro bono.

Protect your wife if you know what Swonkey really means by pro bono.

When he hears an allegation of sexual harassment, abuse, rape, domestic battery, or violations of laws or rights, he has to contact the right people in compliance or internal affairs who will then handle the investigation. IT IS A FEDERAL LAW and he works for a university. They have briefed him on it. They are experienced investigators in compliance and/or internal affairs. They will decide what is true or false.

Now that could stand as the only post needed to handle this thread best.= let the experts trained in dealing with abusers ferret out the dangers and protection-punishment needed.

 

[rogdochar]

Meyer's statement "I listened to my heart and not my head." Wow, time forever poets, philosophers considered the "heart" means the soul. Ugh Urbs. By his 'head' does he mean CYA thinking?

 

[G8trwood]

Damn, some can’t figure out what employers require you to report and policies etc are not law, but functions of your job. The reseaon compliance(or whatever) exist is to protect organizations from exactly what is going on.

Why does an abuse victim not leave, why does an abused animal cower behind the abuser when a new threat appears? Fear. How many abused women are killed when they do leave? Very complex question for minds greater than mine, but the only fault lies with the effen abuser.

The world is on its head, I have been agreeing with the donk lately...

 

[TN G8tr]

The whole situation stinks. Leyer, Cryer, Urbs whatever you want to call him, his demeanor to me showed in that press conference he was pi$$ed about getting caught. His actions with the situation show where his true concern is. If he is such a great coach, fire the guys azz, do the right thing, and move on. A wife beating position coach should not jeopardize your program. More proof to show his true self. So much may have been covered over the years, its hard now for Urbs to come out and just own it and deal with it. There's a pattern with him dating back to UF.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Damn, some can’t figure out what employers require you to report and policies etc are not law, but functions of your job.

In this case, it is a part of Title IX law and a few other provisions. In other settings (other govt agencies) it may well be a zero tolerance policy by the agency following EEOC policies.

In many private employee settings, yes, they might just be a liability mitigation policy strategy.

 

[alcoholica]

In this case, it is a part of Title IX law and a few other provisions. In other settings (other govt agencies) it may well be a zero tolerance policy by the agency following EEOC policies.

In many private employee settings, yes, they might just be a liability mitigation policy strategy.

Can you speak to what a mandatory reporter is and the laws requiring them and the threashholds they work within? Heard the term and have a very vague understanding of it.