OSU crushes Michigan like bugs, ending playoff hopes

[Alumni Guy]

Youn should call the police then if you think there is a literal crime literally happening.


There is no collusion law. Dimocrats made that up trying to change the subject of their wiretapping of a presidential candidate's campaign.


Really? Who makes their schedule and who made them join a shytty conference? if they wanted to, they could become road warriors and play as many tough teams as they could. Clowntown and Looville did this when they were both part of conference USA/old Metro and independents.

instead they play a schedule worse than many 1AA teams.

and cry like *****es about respect.


Yes.

Buried deep in the U.S.code, there is probably a statute for antitrust actions to be a crime, but I used the term illegal when actionable was more appropriate.

Collusion actions do exist. If airlines get together in secret and all agree to raise prices at once for no reason, you betcha the hammer will fall.

I agree with you on the schedule, it’s the weakness of my point. But why even rank UCF, or allow them to play D1 ball, if they are prevented from getting into the playoffs.

Of all the D1 teams, I’d say about 1/2 are power 5. It’s messed up that 1/2 the teams cant maximize profit b/c they aren’t part of a P5.

 

[neteng]

NOBODY IS PREVENTING THEM FROM GETTING IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!! They just aren't top 4.

 

[Alumni Guy]

NOBODY IS PREVENTING THEM FROM GETTING IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!! They just aren't top 4.

They are prevented from being in the top 4.

 

[neteng]

They are prevented from being in the top 4.

Nope

 

[soflagator]

Buried deep in the U.S.code, there is probably a statute for antitrust actions to be a crime, but I used the term illegal when actionable was more appropriate.

Collusion actions do exist. If airlines get together in secret and all agree to raise prices at once for no reason, you betcha the hammer will fall.

I agree with you on the schedule, it’s the weakness of my point. But why even rank UCF, or allow them to play D1 ball, if they are prevented from getting into the playoffs.

Of all the D1 teams, I’d say about 1/2 are power 5. It’s messed up that 1/2 the teams cant maximize profit b/c they aren’t part of a P5.

I think it stinks for a school like UCF to get left out. I actually do. But, having said that, I think it would stink much worse for a legitimate P5 team that has only one loss and has been through a grind all year to be left out of a chance to win it all. So basically, there may be some strange seasons like 2007 where they could sneak in because there's a bunch of average teams at the top. Other than that, it's not in the cards. I can agree that they should almost demand their own league and title game, but that's where economics dictate things.

Bottom line, kids don't go to UCF or Memphis or SMU if they want to play for a national championship. They just don't. So when they get there, they shouldn't complain that it's not fair or that they should be given a chance.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Buried deep in the U.S.code, there is probably a statute for antitrust actions to be a crime, but I used the term illegal when actionable was more appropriate.

Collusion actions do exist. If airlines get together in secret and all agree to raise prices at once for no reason, you betcha the hammer will fall.

I agree with you on the schedule, it’s the weakness of my point. But why even rank UCF, or allow them to play D1 ball, if they are prevented from getting into the playoffs.

Of all the D1 teams, I’d say about 1/2 are power 5. It’s messed up that 1/2 the teams cant maximize profit b/c they aren’t part of a P5.

Show me the code.

Mueller needs it.

Non P5 schools can habe their own tournament or whatever. No one is stopping them. Hell they can leave NCAA got to NIAI or make their own thing.

They also dont get to go the the SECCG. You should add that to your pleadings. Good luck.

Why rank them? I suppose bc ESpN and AP want too. Thye arent prevented from anything. They just arent going to EARN it by playing East/ West/ South schools every week.

 

[Alumni Guy]

Show me the code.

Mueller needs it.

Non P5 schools can habe their own tournament or whatever. No one is stopping them. Hell they can leave NCAA got to NIAI or make their own thing.

They also dont get to go the the SECCG. You should add that to your pleadings. Good luck.

Why rank them? I suppose bc ESpN and AP want too. Thye arent prevented from anything. They just arent going to EARN it by playing East/ West/ South schools every week.

From DOJ: see page 9 https://www.justice.gov/atr/page/file/1091651/download

Agreed: but probably an argument that if you are part of an organization, where you pay your dues, you are entitled to a fair shake to benefits. Now we are getting into true minutia. If it’s not fair market, contract good faith/fair dealing issues apply.

They are not part of the SEC, so not eligible. They are eligible for playoffs, but always excluded.

Not saying I’m gonna bring down the NCAA, or even I’m absolutelty right. But these issues exist

It’s not the ESPN rankings, but the bowl committee rankings, whose interest is keeping the big schools in and small schools out.

 

[neteng]

Obvious troll is obvious

 

[Swamp Donkey]

From DOJ: see page 9 https://www.justice.gov/atr/page/file/1091651/download

Agreed: but probably an argument that if you are part of an organization, where you pay your dues, you are entitled to a fair shake to benefits. Now we are getting into true minutia. If it’s not fair market, contract good faith/fair dealing issues apply.

They are not part of the SEC, so not eligible. They are eligible for playoffs, but always excluded.

Not saying I’m gonna bring down the NCAA, or even I’m absolutelty right. But these issues exist

It’s not the ESPN rankings, but the bowl committee rankings, whose interest is keeping the big schools in and small schools out.

stick with something else

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Obvious troll is obvious

stick with rooting for dwags

 

[neteng]

stick with rooting for dwags

Obvious trolls are obvious

 

[Alumni Guy]

stick with something else

 

[Bama&GatorFan]

If Georgia and Bama don’t want to play them, then what.

Teams don’t want to play a UCF. Real chance of losing, with nothing to really gain by winning.

If you go out of conference, a P5 will usually schedule The Citadel or a team which would be a great victory, like Bama.

Not saying it’s illegal, but if you win 25 in a row and are still not eligible something is off.

That is why they should move up to the big league if they are the best in their league.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I absolutely want to play UCF.

But I didnt last year.

I didnt really want to play any games w Butters. It was not a question of winning or losing. Even the wins were painful and embarrassing displays of total incompetence, even against directional schools. the only reason butters did not lose to a 1AA or directional school is that he got fired too quickly.

 

[Zodiac]

I think it stinks for a school like UCF to get left out. I actually do. But, having said that, I think it would stink much worse for a legitimate P5 team that has only one loss and has been through a grind all year to be left out of a chance to win it all. So basically, there may be some strange seasons like 2007 where they could sneak in because there's a bunch of average teams at the top. Other than that, it's not in the cards. I can agree that they should almost demand their own league and title game, but that's where economics dictate things.

Bottom line, kids don't go to UCF or Memphis or SMU if they want to play for a national championship. They just don't. So when they get there, they shouldn't complain that it's not fair or that they should be given a chance.

The "Power 5" label is a crock. 90% of the programs within the P5 are perennial losers, not capable of contending in any Division 1 conference anymore than they already do now.

The grind for division 1 football programs is the same across the board. Because Division 1 is the "big leagues". Not these delusional elitist conferences.

Eschewing the myths and embracing the facts is the only way our sport will ever have a legitimate champion.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

The "Power 5" label is a crock. 90% of the programs within the P5 are perennial losers, not capable of contending in any Division 1 conference anymore than they already do now.

The grind for division 1 football programs is the same across the board. Because Division 1 is the "big leagues". Not these delusional elitist conferences.

Eschewing the myths and embracing the facts is the only way our sport will ever have a legitimate champion.

Hyperbole is hyperbolic.
Honestly maybe 50%. There are maybe 30 - 40 teams that have any chance, for that matter deserve a chance, to compete for a NC. Once in a while teams like Rutgers, Tulane, Boise State or UCF make some noise but honestly should they be embarrassing the process by playing in a NC game? Of course not. They don't play the schedule week in and week out. They don't belong. Fortunately the playoffs would most assuredly eliminate them even if just by some accident they got in.
A legitimate champion comes when teams play legitimate schedules and earn their way in the hard way. Not by playing a "little sisters of the poor" schedule and then getting a shot.

"The grind for division 1 football programs is the same across the board." At the risk of quoting my least favorite poster, you must not watch a lot of football.

 

[TheDouglas78]

The "Power 5" label is a crock. 90% of the programs within the P5 are perennial losers, not capable of contending in any Division 1 conference anymore than they already do now.

maybe 50% is a more accurate number. 90% would suggest that only 6.5 teams are the only ones that are perennial losers in all of the P5 schools. So lets see here USC, UCLA, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, UF, Auburn, LSU, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan.... which 5 of these are perennial losers according to you...

The grind for division 1 football programs is the same across the board. Because Division 1 is the "big leagues". Not these delusional elitist conferences.

Eschewing the myths and embracing the facts is the only way our sport will ever have a legitimate champion.

So we should embrace a team that when undefeated against a schedule ranked 94th with 0 top 30 wins, is better than a 1 loss team with a schedule ranked Ohio State (43rd) or Oklahoma (37th) each with 2 top 30 wins. According to the advanced metric by Sagarin UCF ranks 18th out of 130. Do you believe someone who would rank 18th with advance metrics should be considered a top 4, and possible championship level team. What would you consider UCF's signature win? Pittsburgh? Memphis?

 

[soflagator]

The "Power 5" label is a crock. 90% of the programs within the P5 are perennial losers, not capable of contending in any Division 1 conference anymore than they already do now.

The grind for division 1 football programs is the same across the board. Because Division 1 is the "big leagues". Not these delusional elitist conferences.

Eschewing the myths and embracing the facts is the only way our sport will ever have a legitimate champion.

I trust doug78 to handle things from here.

 

[Zodiac]

One of the biggest obstacles for us to overcome is getting the faction of fans who prescribe to the old myths and injunctions imposed on us by the sports media outlets we listen to, to come back to reality. But their axioms are pounded into our subconscious every time we tune in, making it difficult.

The result has been detrimental to having any real playoff system. Fans would rather argue about who will beat who rather than settling it on the field. On one side of the coin they'll tell UCF to go play a tougher schedule. On the other side of the coin they want no part of them in a playoff setting. Because they fear what might happen if the result isn't what they've guaranteed us. It's ok for UCF to play Alabama any week of the regular season, but not in a playoff week?

There is a lot of therapy needed on college football fans first. Once the majority is on board for a real objective playoff, they will no longer be able to deny us what we deserve.

 

[oxrageous]

I like Zodiac.