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Woodroe · Jan 28, 2020

NVGator said:
Sully is widely known for suckage in the CWS when he hits Omaha. I’m surprised more of you aren’t aware of this.

Let's preface the CWS results argument with this:

There are only 18 teams that have been to the CWS more times in its 70 something year history than Sully has been since 2010.
No other team or coach has gone to the CWS more than 5 times since 2010.

So now that we have established that Sully gets there way more than everyone else, there's this:

On average a team entering the CWS should:

- Win 1/8 of the time
- Lose in the Championship Series 1/8 of the time
- Two and BBQ 2/8 of the time
- Somewhere in between 4/8 of the time

Sully CWS history:

- Win 1/7
- Lose in Champ Series 1/7
- Two and BBQ 3/7
- In between 2/7

So. He's already won as many as he should out of 8 CWS appearances and he's only been in 7CWS. He's already been to as many Championship Series as he should in 8 appearances and he's only been in 7 CWS. He has been to way more CWS than anyone else.

In other words GO AWAY. Sully is the opposite of suckage and you guys either have no clue what you are talking about or are CrimiNoles in disguise.

FireFoley · Jan 28, 2020

I go to a decent amount of baseball games and I have now and again questioned Sully's in game decisions sometimes, but that is what many of us do. We are allowed to disagree. And he has been successful at reaching the CWS and yes he has won one. I think the knock is the team he won with was no where near the best team he has gone to Omaha with or when we have been the top seed and gone 2 and out, people wonder? Well I have been around a long time and baseball is one of those games where even the worst team can beat the best team in a series. I am not making any excuses for Sully, but it is baseball.

cover2 · Jan 28, 2020

If I have a concern with O'Sullivan it's that he obviously under-performed with the 2012 team that was arguably one of the most talented college baseball teams of the last several years. How do you lose with a bunch like he had? Well, the answer I believe comes from @FireFoley who says "...and baseball is one of those games where even the worst team can beat the best team in a series." It happens more than we'd like to think. What made this one so tough to swallow was going 0-2 in Omaha. The only sense I can make of it was it was difficult keeping all of the draftees focused. Although his 2017 team probably wasn't quite as talented, there were some guys fixin' to get paid and he must've found a way on his end to help keep their eyes and hearts on the CWS trophy. So maybe he's evolving? I'm glad to have him. He ain't no Mike Sr. ;)

NVAGATOR86 · Jan 28, 2020

Nothing better than catching a weekend game at "The Mac". Already got tickets for the UGA series in March and it should be a good one.
On Sully you all said it well and we are in my opinion fortunate to be able to keep him. Foley and Cover are correct about the 2017 team, and what they lacked in pure talent they made up for with grit and finding a way to win. They also lived on the edge. I remember watching us lose to Bethune Cookman with their wild striped uniforms and high socks in the Regionals. Then we needed 3 games to take out the Deacons in the Super . But they made it fun and watching them you got a feeling that they were a special team. I think we could and should have won the 2011 CWS. That first game was a gut grinder and I think we may have had three runners thrown out at the plate. Had we won that one I think we could have won one of the next two over the Cocks.

Not sure what to expect this year but I suspect that after last season Sully will have everyone ready to play. Long season and if we can minimize injuries and develop a consistent pitching rotation we should in the hunt for a high finish. Still cold up here in VA. and talking Gator baseball warms it up.

Towels 'N Sporks · Jan 28, 2020

GatorInGeorgia said:
Despite not realizing it, you’ve grasped my point quite well. We’ve made the CWS a boatload of times under Sully yet closed the deal only once. Most of the other times at the CWS, we’ve greatly underperformed despite having so much talent. Look no further than your own post for the stats.

We made cws 7 times. 8 teams go meaning average is you win 1 time every 8 times you go. So even complaining about not winning it all is kind of silly.

You consider being the last 8 teams an "early exit?" That was your original claim, so no I don't grasp the original post at all still.

These aren't 7 game series. How many world series champs in the mlb lost 2 out of three games I'm a row at some point in their playoff run? Luck plays into it a lot.

dz_23 · Jan 28, 2020

Finally, Baseball Season!

GatorInGeorgia · Jan 28, 2020

Towels 'N Sporks said:
We made cws 7 times. 8 teams go meaning average is you win 1 time every 8 times you go. So even complaining about not winning it all is kind of silly.

You consider being the last 8 teams an "early exit?" That was your original claim, so no I don't grasp the original post at all still.

These aren't 7 game series. How many world series champs in the mlb lost 2 out of three games I'm a row at some point in their playoff run? Luck plays into it a lot.

Yes we made the CWS 7 times and we’ve made the NCAA Tournament (Regional or Super Regional) an additional 5 times. The line that each team should win the CWS 1 out of 8 times would be true if we were engaged in a random act like drawing numbers out of a hat but we’re not. As it stands, the results of the baseball games are influenced by coaching & the talent on each roster and we’ve been one of the most, if not the most, talented teams (on paper) under Sully.

Out of our 7 trips to the CWS, Sully has gone 0-2 THREE times. Out of the 5 NCAA Tournaments, Sully has been eliminated (from either regional or supers) in a 0-2 showing FOUR TIMES OUT OF FIVE.

So all told, his Tourney/CWS appearances have resulted in a “0-2 it’s time for BBQ” outcome 7 out of 12 times...despite having all the talent in the world.

That, my friend, is the classic definition of underperforming.

If Sully doesn’t win it all this year, Stricklin should reach out to the AD at University of Texas through back channels and try to orchestrate a trade to send Sully to UT straight up for the Texas 3rd base coach.

EyeDocGator · Jan 28, 2020

Could recruiting the #1 baseball class be related to the new stadium being built? Hmm. Maybe we need to get those new football facilities built before we can crack the top 5.

FireFoley · Jan 28, 2020

EyeDocGator said:
Could recruiting the #1 baseball class be related to the new stadium being built? Hmm. Maybe we need to get those new football facilities built before we can crack the top 5.

I think that was a facetious question regarding baseball, but an interesting thought????? I doubt it b/c Vandy racks up good classes and they play in a octagonal shaped band box looking thing. Be that as it may, if we can play to our talent, I can't wait for the Vandy series at the MAC in May. Really want to see Kumar Rocker pitch in person. Hope both teams are peaking then.

Great White Buffalo · Jan 29, 2020

GatorInGeorgia said:
So all told, his Tourney/CWS appearances have resulted in a “0-2 it’s time for BBQ” outcome 7 out of 12 times...despite having all the talent in the world.

So when lumping his 0-2 CWS appearances in with the others you're just gonna ignore the fact he had to win at least 5 games to get to each CWS? That's donkey level spin!

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but Sully has 5 SEC Championships and has owned the holes and scum. A little perspective, all of this has occurred since Sully has been at UF.

CSF - 2 and BBQ in 4 trips
Holes - 5 trips, no titles
TCU - 5 trips, no titles
Louis - 4 trips, no titles
UNC - 4 trips, no titles
Ark - 4 trips, no titles
TTech - 4 trips, no titles
scum - 3 trips, no titles

rogdochar · Jan 29, 2020

I hope we have some heavy-hitters starting this year. We need HRs with men on base = RBIs.
And we need a string of dominating pitchers.

GatorInGeorgia · Jan 29, 2020

Great White Buffalo said:
So when lumping his 0-2 CWS appearances in with the others you're just gonna ignore the fact he had to win at least 5 games to get to each CWS?

No, I’m just pointing out that when they lose, they tend to do so early & without putting up a fight despite having a talent advantage over most everybody they face. They fold like a cheap suit. They seem to pucker up when the stakes & the pressure increase. From what I’ve seen, it starts at the top with the HC.

Woodroe · Jan 29, 2020

GatorInGeorgia said:
No, I’m just pointing out that when they lose, they tend to do so early & without putting up a fight despite having a talent advantage over most everybody they face.

By "when they lose" do you mean each time they haven't won a championship?

Great White Buffalo · Jan 29, 2020

GatorInGeorgia said:
No, I’m just pointing out that when they lose, they tend to do so early & without putting up a fight despite having a talent advantage over most everybody they face. They fold like a cheap suit. They seem to pucker up when the stakes & the pressure increase. From what I’ve seen, it starts at the top with the HC.

Over the past 20 years, only 56% of national seeds have made the CWS, and that number is actually under 50% since 2007. 21% lose in regionals, and another 23% lose in Supers. You don't get to ignore the 5 wins they needed to get to the CWS. In the five years between SCe's title in 2011 to UF's title in 2017, not a single title was won by a national seed! Since the national seed format was introduced in 1999, the only 1 seed to win the title was scUM, and that was in the first year. National seeds won the first 5 titles from '99 to '03, but in the 16 years since have only won 5 titles.

The eight teams I listed are traditional and/or modern blue bloods, yet they have zero titles in a combined 33 appearances at the CWS over the past 12 years. Jim Schlossnagle of TCU is 0-5 at the CWS. Dave Van Horn is 0-4. Paul Manieri has one title in 13 years at LSU. All of those guys are considered the best in the business by just about everyone. Fullerton is a blue blood, yet they've gone 2 and BBQ each of their past 4 appearances. That doesn't necessarily mean they choked, it means they lost to better teams, or hotter teams, or maybe a hot pitcher. It's baseball!

GatorInGeorgia · Jan 29, 2020

Great White Buffalo said:
Over the past 20 years, only 56% of national seeds have made the CWS, and that number is actually under 50% since 2007. 21% lose in regionals, and another 23% lose in Supers. You don't get to ignore the 5 wins they needed to get to the CWS. In the five years between SCe's title in 2011 to UF's title in 2017, not a single title was won by a national seed! Since the national seed format was introduced in 1999, the only 1 seed to win the title was scUM, and that was in the first year. National seeds won the first 5 titles from '99 to '03, but in the 16 years since have only won 5 titles.

The eight teams I listed are traditional and/or modern blue bloods, yet they have zero titles in a combined 33 appearances at the CWS over the past 12 years. Jim Schlossnagle of TCU is 0-5 at the CWS. Dave Van Horn is 0-4. Paul Manieri has one title in 13 years at LSU. All of those guys are considered the best in the business by just about everyone. Fullerton is a blue blood, yet they've gone 2 and BBQ each of their past 4 appearances. That doesn't necessarily mean they choked, it means they lost to better teams, or hotter teams, or maybe a hot pitcher. It's baseball!

Team by team, how many went “0-2, it’s time for BBQ” and how often did they do so?

Woodroe · Jan 29, 2020

GatorInGeorgia said:
Team by team, how many went “0-2, it’s time for BBQ” and how often did they do so?

You tell us. It's your moronic argument.

Woodroe · Jan 29, 2020

GatorInGeorgia said:
Team by team, how many went “0-2, it’s time for BBQ” and how often did they do so?

Can we agree that 2 and BBQ at the CWS is better than losing a 3 game nail biter in the super regional or going 5 games in the regional and losing?

GatorInGeorgia · Jan 29, 2020

Woodroe said:
Can we agree that 2 and BBQ at the CWS is better than losing a 3 game nail biter in the super regional or going 5 games in the regional and losing?

Sully has excelled at “0-2 & BBQ” in regionals and supers, too. He’s an equal opportunity underachiever. I’m going to send him a Bart Simpson t-shirt.

Woodroe · Jan 29, 2020

GatorInGeorgia said:
Sully has excelled at “0-2 & BBQ” in regionals and supers, too. He’s an equal opportunity underachiever. I’m going to send him a Bart Simpson t-shirt.

Still didn't answer the question.

Woodroe · Jan 29, 2020

GatorInGeorgia said:
Sully has excelled at “0-2 & BBQ” in regionals and supers, too. He’s an equal opportunity underachiever. I’m going to send him a Bart Simpson t-shirt.

Try this. Name the coach that you think has done better than Sully since 2010.

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