So why is this different?

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We still have enough talent to win 9 games next year.
One side of me says that we don't but I'm simply basing that on the performance that I saw down the stretch. That being said I could see where some better talent was actually buried behind less talented upperclassmen by the last staff. At least I am hoping that was the case. I am also hoping some of the transfers of the last 2 years get proper coaching and develop into SEC starter quality types.
 

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One side of me says that we don't but I'm simply basing that on the performance that I saw down the stretch. That being said I could see where some better talent was actually buried behind less talented upperclassmen by the last staff. At least I am hoping that was the case. I am also hoping some of the transfers of the last 2 years get proper coaching and develop into SEC starter quality types.
once it was clear that AR wasn't going to be allowed to play much, the team quit. That's what you saw down the stretch
 

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One side of me says that we don't but I'm simply basing that on the performance that I saw down the stretch. That being said I could see where some better talent was actually buried behind less talented upperclassmen by the last staff. At least I am hoping that was the case. I am also hoping some of the transfers of the last 2 years get proper coaching and develop into SEC starter quality types.
Just from objective numbers. Talent wise we have less than bama of course (but not playing them), UGAy and LSU. AtoM will surpass us and LSU will increase their advantage. UGAy and bama's talent is in a different stratosphere.
The more talented team (by 247's composite) wins 80% of the time. However that 80% doesn't apply to the first year when even the best coaches will generally drop a game they shouldn't. So maybe we beat LSU since they also have a first year coach. We have more talent compared to the remainder of the SEC. And without Todd Grantham on the sidelines are odds got better.
The first game against Utah worries me a bit. But UT, Mizoo, USC, Vandy, and UK aren't particularly scary. FSU has less talent and horriblllllllllllle coaching.
Need to see two things out of Napier. The recruiting class is pretty much settled by the end of summer. If it's not a top 5 class I don't give Nap much hope. The bump class is a pretty good predictor of future success. And then the season. If he doesn't lose to anybody other than UGAy, LSU and AtoM and has a top 5 class then we have a good one.
 

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once it was clear that AR wasn't going to be allowed to play much, the team quit. That's what you saw down the stretch
I think that situation was pretty clear but what we need Napier to find out this spring and early fall camp is if there are 4 or 5 other positions where the same thing was going on. If that's the case then we could end up in a better situation than I was looking at for this season. I know BMF mentioned a sophomore LB who was very dissatisfied with playing time and thinking about moving on....That's certainly a position we are going to need to squeeze every bit of talent out of the next 2 or 3 years....offensive line is another.
 

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I am simply pointing out that we really didn't approach the coaching search any differently than the previous 3 hires as some have stated...

Crete, to your credit, you have turned this into a pretty good discussion about Napier and what we’ve all seen from him so far. One thing I do want to point out is the quote from you that I tagged above. For all the crap we have said about Stricklin over the past few years… this hire was significantly different than his previous hire. For that one, we publicly went around, hat in hand, courting the big names with Kelly and Frost, only to be shot down and humiliated. We settled on Mullen. He was a fallback plan, and he lived up to that description as the program has fallen back worse than we could ever imagine.

If nothing else, I think you’ve gotta admit that Stricklin did his job by doing his homework on this hire well ahead of time. Napier was his top target. He understood it was time to rebuild the program (at least that’s what Napier told us he said), and had obviously been looking for the right man for the job. Could Stricklin have gotten a coach who could make a bigger splash? Probably, but I think he may have figured we need a lot more than a splashy name. Sure, Riley would’ve made a ton of headlines for us. And, I think he’s a good coach. But, does he know how to build a championship program? Maybe not, since he inherited one of the best from Stoops. Building a successful program and running a successful program don’t necessarily go hand in hand. We needed a builder.

Will Napier work out? No one knows. But if nothing else, we can at least feel better knowing that significant consideration and strategy went into this hire vs the sh!tshow that led to Mullen.
 

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Just from objective numbers. Talent wise we have less than bama of course (but not playing them), UGAy and LSU. AtoM will surpass us and LSU will increase their advantage. UGAy and bama's talent is in a different stratosphere.
The more talented team (by 247's composite) wins 80% of the time. However that 80% doesn't apply to the first year when even the best coaches will generally drop a game they shouldn't. So maybe we beat LSU since they also have a first year coach. We have more talent compared to the remainder of the SEC. And without Todd Grantham on the sidelines are odds got better.
The first game against Utah worries me a bit. But UT, Mizoo, USC, Vandy, and UK aren't particularly scary. FSU has less talent and horriblllllllllllle coaching.
Need to see two things out of Napier. The recruiting class is pretty much settled by the end of summer. If it's not a top 5 class I don't give Nap much hope. The bump class is a pretty good predictor of future success. And then the season. If he doesn't lose to anybody other than UGAy, LSU and AtoM and has a top 5 class then we have a good one.

Ditto,

I would also add that it needs to be real, balanced, and done in a way that allows us to sustain success. No obvious non qualifiers just to add stars, or overloading on one position and just having bodies at another. Hold staff accountable (good and bad) for their individual recruiting performances. Fortunately all early signs indicate our coach understands what this should look like and has a good plan to get there.
 

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If nothing else, I think you’ve gotta admit that Stricklin did his job by doing his homework on this hire well ahead of time. Napier was his top target. He understood it was time to rebuild the program (at least that’s what Napier told us he said), and had obviously been looking for the right man for the job. Could Stricklin have gotten a coach who could make a bigger splash?

I also think Stricklin started his vetting of this hire early. Maybe as early as the end of last year when McMuffin screwed up the Trask Heisman opportunity. McMuffin basically quit some time in October as I'm sure he knew what was coming. I feel that's why the hire happened so quickly after the firing It had already been determined.
 

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Napier pulled two 5 stars in less than two weeks on the job. It sure seems like recruiting is different.
 

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Wrong I had no dog in this fight but was somewhat shocked we did not go for a superstar hire....in the end though it might not make a difference since as many of them seem to flop these days too. From what I've been told by someone in the coaching profession there was interest from several other big name coaches.

Don’t stop there. Tell us who they are. No one besides your source seems to know about the big names who were interested.
 

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If nothing else, I think you’ve gotta admit that Stricklin did his job by doing his homework on this hire well ahead of time. Napier was his top target.

I got the impression that Stricklin had done a lot of research and back-channel sounding out weeks before Mullen was fired. I mean as contingency planning. He was prepared.

I suspect something - most likely the show cause penalty - soured Mullen’s attitude and that snowballed after the KY game.
 

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I also think Stricklin started his vetting of this hire early. Maybe as early as the end of last year when McMuffin screwed up the Trask Heisman opportunity. McMuffin basically quit some time in October as I'm sure he knew what was coming. I feel that's why the hire happened so quickly after the firing It had already been determined.
I got the impression that Stricklin had done a lot of research and back-channel sounding out weeks before Mullen was fired. I mean as contingency planning. He was prepared.

I suspect something - most likely the show cause penalty - soured Mullen’s attitude and that snowballed after the KY game.
Exactly. You guys nailed it. Strickland knew idiot box had checked out. I applaud our AD for searching behind Mullen's lazy back, if that is what happened. Mullen was disloyal to the institution that was paying he and his staff a hell of a lot of money.
 

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Crete, to your credit, you have turned this into a pretty good discussion about Napier and what we’ve all seen from him so far. One thing I do want to point out is the quote from you that I tagged above. For all the crap we have said about Stricklin over the past few years… this hire was significantly different than his previous hire. For that one, we publicly went around, hat in hand, courting the big names with Kelly and Frost, only to be shot down and humiliated. We settled on Mullen. He was a fallback plan, and he lived up to that description as the program has fallen back worse than we could ever imagine.

If nothing else, I think you’ve gotta admit that Stricklin did his job by doing his homework on this hire well ahead of time. Napier was his top target. He understood it was time to rebuild the program (at least that’s what Napier told us he said), and had obviously been looking for the right man for the job. Could Stricklin have gotten a coach who could make a bigger splash? Probably, but I think he may have figured we need a lot more than a splashy name. Sure, Riley would’ve made a ton of headlines for us. And, I think he’s a good coach. But, does he know how to build a championship program? Maybe not, since he inherited one of the best from Stoops. Building a successful program and running a successful program don’t necessarily go hand in hand. We needed a builder.

Will Napier work out? No one knows. But if nothing else, we can at least feel better knowing that significant consideration and strategy went into this hire vs the sh!tshow that led to Mullen.
In retrospect I could have been wrong about the process that led us to BN. Perhaps he was further out in front of this situation by starting research earlier this time. My thoughts were Stricklin was being drug to the decision of even firing Mullen simply because Mullen finally fired TG.....At that point in my eyes I believed that he was trying to fix a broken record and retain Mullen unless the pitchforks(boosters)got to close. Thinking that way it appeared to me that the boosters forced the decision and he grabbed the easiest option. Again I could have been wrong but I felt almost the same way I did when Foley was finally forced to fire WM...
 

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Don’t stop there. Tell us who they are. No one besides your source seems to know about the big names who were interested.
Your Mom, your sister and your old lady know.....I told them not to tell you.....
 

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Your Mom, your sister and your old lady know.....I told them not to tell you.....

I’m curious to know who these big names are who had an interest in the Florida opening. You threw it out there looking for a reaction. Well, I bit. Is there a reason why it’s so top secret that you can’t divulge who?
 

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I’m curious to know who these big names are who had an interest in the Florida opening. You threw it out there looking for a reaction. Well, I bit. Is there a reason why it’s so top secret that you can’t divulge who?

Maybe it's that it has been reported that both Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley reportedly contacted the UF athletic association of their availability.

Florida knew Lincoln Riley, Brian Kelly were available prior to Billy Napier hiring, per report (saturdaydownsouth.com)
 

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I’m curious to know who these big names are who had an interest in the Florida opening. You threw it out there looking for a reaction. Well, I bit. Is there a reason why it’s so top secret that you can’t divulge who?
Gus, Kiffin and Kelley.....
 

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