Recruiting 2019 NSD: 4* DE Khris Bogle and 4* CB Elam signs

[LongTooth]

Dr. Fuchs getting on a plane for New Hampshire conflicts with that.

The optics of an unproductive plane trip mean nothing.

Kelly has eyes and he can see the situation here as well as McInsane could. He probably noted very quickly that no real, substantive effort was going to be made to bring the program into the 21st Century.

Bottom line: They likely said no when he asked for immediate upgrades so he went to UCLA for less. Brilliant.

He also appears to be a lazy recruiter and a reclusive weirdo so he wasn't interested in a situation where the magnetism of the program would be completely on his shoulders because the infrastructure is obsolete and the admin seems disinterested.

 

[Gatorraid81]

Your world revolves around black and white. I see us in the eight- to nine-win space, which will be enough to direct some of the focus back. Mullen's game planning and in-game adjustments could mean the difference between eight and nine wins.

This may be true, but it also means with our current talent Mullen likely will never top that 8-9 win total. Mullen won’t be able to game plan around the talent gap to UGA, which is why he desperately needed to have good early recruiting success. He had a good transition class, but thus far hasn’t been able to get anything going with this class, likely meaning the whole staff sucks at recruiting. With close to equal talent, Mullen probably could beat Kirby on most days. Doesn’t look like we’ll have close to equal talent to UGA anytime soon though.

 

[PhD Gator]

I had to teach a morning course this morning and was excited to open GC afterwords and look at the thread title of this thread. I was hoping that there would be more than one commit and was curious if it would say all the names or just something vague like "it's still July and it's happening!"

Instead, I open it up to see "FNL has zero commits." Us Gator fans are becoming a bit too used to this type of disappointment.

 

[78]

The optics of an unproductive plane trip mean nothing.

Kelly has eyes and he can see the situation here as well as McInsane could. He probably noted very quickly that no real, substantive effort was going to be made to bring the program into the 21st Century.

Bottom line: They likely said no when he asked for immediate upgrades so he went to UCLA for less. Brilliant.

He also appears to be a lazy recruiter and a reclusive weirdo so he wasn't interested in a situation where the magnetism of the program would be completely on his shoulders because the infrastructure is obsolete and the admin seems disinterested.

I'm not convinced the admin is disinterested. Complacent and led down the wrong path by Foley? Yes, but we're trying to make amends however late that may be.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

With close to equal talent, Mullen probably could beat Kirby on most days.

With close to equal talent Mullinz won 50% of his games vs Burp Bielema and Matt Luke. Actually those too had less talent and Luke was on probation to boot.

So, again, tell me what about his record suggests your statement is rationale in any way.

 

[LongTooth]

2019 cycle looks to be headed toward bad or mediocre.

2020 could be good with the interest we currently have from 2020 kids, but there'll have to be changes made in recruiting to make it stick.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I'm not convinced the admin is disinterested. Complacent and led down the wrong path by Foley? Yes, but we're trying to make amends however late that may be.

3-5 years from now suggests they are trying?

 

[Gator Fever]

I’m fairly well versed in how recruiting goes. It’s easy to see that a) this isn’t going well and b) the odds that his “bump” class is anything better than “disappointing” are very low right now. Still, I love CFB and can’t wait for the season. Not going to wallow in petty because guys with a poor track record in recruiting had poor results at a recruiting event.

Well if enough people spin it isn't a disaster for the future ole Mullen will leave it like it is and hopefully will be fired after 3 years.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

No amount of winning corrects bad recruiting. If you suck at it someone better is always going to beat you out.
The only hope is that Mullinz realizes that he's in trouble and does a house cleaning.
The problem with that is that now that these coaches get huge contracts they think that they know WTF they're doing and stubbornly refuse to accept that they made bad decisions.
Great coaches fire under performers immediately.

 

[Gatorraid81]

Based on what?

This is like that QB Whisperer bullshyt that started on the Gator boards about Butters. No one has ever said that and nothing in his record suggests that. Instead he is a below average recruiter who gets average results with his team (coin toss against similarly talented teams).

What does he do that gets the "most out of his talent"?

This is what Will Myles said on the podcast, he usually finished with an average final ranking at or slightly above his recruiting rankings. Meaning he gets what he can out of his talent. Unfortunately for us, it’s looking like all he’ll ever do here is maybe the 15 -20 range finish.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

This is what Will Myles said on the podcast, he usually finished with an average final ranking at or slightly above his recruiting rankings.

That doesn't mean he is getting more from talent. Having 25th ranked talent and finishing 25th is getting what you are supposed to out of talent.

Losing to Burp and Luke 50% says it all.

 

[lagator]

I have to think there's a reason why we haven't been able to land a top tier coach. We're no longer seen as a plug-and-play opportunity. That doesn't mean we're not a value play for the right guy. We're still a big-time university with lots of history.

Either way it becomes a matter of the chicken (coaching) or the egg (recruiting). Something has to get the ball rolling.

The problem with this search is we were desperate to get a proven coach after the last 2 losers so we aimed for the top two names with Kelly and Frost.

When we struck out we settled for a proven coach, but unfortunately a proven loser, but we paid him like a top 5 winner. We would have been much better off with an interim then trying again the end of this year.

 

[LongTooth]

I'm not convinced the admin is disinterested. Complacent and led down the wrong path by Foley? Yes, but we're trying to make amends however late that may be.

Which might be why the interest among 2020 kids is already higher than the 2019 group exploring its options and seeming to pass on us. The level of quality on the 2020 FNL visitor list was FAR beyond that of this cycle's bunch.

Concrete effort and commitment must be shown by the University and effective changes in recruiting staff/strategy have to be made by Dan and Co. Otherwise, the next decade will shake out as bad as this one.

I'd be over the moon if Mullen punks the doubters and makes it here, but I could also see a scenario where Mullen does what he can to stabilize things, the University finally commits to returning the football program to modernity, and Frost finally comes here after honing his craft at Nebraska for a bit and then deciding he doesn't like biting cold and corn that much anymore.......

2025 here we come!!!

 

[78]

3-5 years from now suggests they are trying?

The football people had an offer for immediate work on a multistory structure. They opted to wait for the baseball land.

 

[BNAG8R]

 

[LongTooth]

Gotta give Jalon Jones credit. He didn't really have to make the trip down, or participate even if he did, but he hit the field and did his thing, and also continues to try and pull in guys who he might by playing with in a couple years. Kudos kid.

Seems to really like our QB coach.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

The football people had an offer for immediate work on a multistory structure. They opted to wait for the baseball land.

And they dont have access to bulldozers? It shouldnt take more than three days to level the baseball field.

 

[78]

And they dont have access to bulldozers? It shouldnt take more than three days to level the baseball field.

I thought the multistory idea was kind of cool.

 

[Gatorraid81]

That doesn't mean he is getting more from talent. Having 25th ranked talent and finishing 25th is getting what you are supposed to out of talent.

Losing to Burp and Luke 50% says it all.

Well it means if he’s as smart as he thinks he is, he’s seeing the deficiencies in this staff when it comes to recruiting. That he’s never going to compete at a high level with a 25th rated class here. But he’s also unlike a Zook, who always underperformed with superior talent. Mullen did about what is expected at a Mississippi St level school, 6-7 wins and bowl game. “If” he gets recruiting corrected here( and it’s going to have to start with the 2020 class now) he’ll have us around the top 10 level programs again. Doesn’t mean he’s bringing home titles, probably just means he’ll be like Richt. Most knew what the top out was for Mullen here, that’s why he was the 3rd choice.

 

[-THE DUDE-]

Based on what?

This is like that QB Whisperer bullshyt that started on the Gator boards about Butters. No one has ever said that and nothing in his record suggests that. Instead he is a below average recruiter who gets average results with his team (coin toss against similarly talented teams).

What does he do that gets the "most out of his talent"?

Other than he’s now the Gators coach and blind hope?