Mike Leach hired at MSU; already entertaining the masses

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  1. ltraz

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    I get that. I'd have to rewatch to have a better opinion, but I felt A LOT of Henderson's issues were not being comfortable in the scheme and trusting the safeties.
     
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    Things are going very well, stability may be more important,
     
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    Okay, you win. Sorry, I haven’t been tracking all the vital stats. I recall previous conversations indicating we’ve got some guys ready for the challenge. Maybe I misread those comments.
     
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    I think Marco was likely injury. Seeing him return is my reasoning for that. Hendo had checked out mentally.
     
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    Not to pick nits or anything, but the worst our defense ever got from a yardage standpoint was in 2017, when they were 31st in the country. Last year was 28th, this year was 9th. Other than those two years, we've pretty much always been top 15-20 in defense at worst every year no matter who the DC is. Losing Grantham wouldn't change that.
     
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      The only way we regret this decision is if Mullen screws up the hire badly per Bait'n's remark:

      But, as Sas points out below, the Gator D, combined with mostly C-level SEC offenses results in UF almost always having a top 20 defense.

      Will our defensive recruiting from 2017-208 bite us this upcoming year, maybe. But, we will still only face 3-4 offenses all season that are particularly potent. Grantham didn't shine in those 3-4 so far. The next guy (hoping) will be judged on those games too.
       
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        I’m not aware of any defense that fared well with LSU this season. Our sin was allowing 279 yards through the air to a team that otherwise averaged 234, namely Georgia.

        Even that wasn’t a total sin. Our offense let us down in Jax every bit as much as the defense.
         
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          Jax was a complete team failure... LSU was beating the schit out of everyone's defense.
           
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            Let’s imagine Grantham spent his entire career at Virginia Tech, his alma mater. Would he be taking the beating here that he does? I seriously doubt it.

            His mortal sin, besides being a bit too emotional on the sidelines at times, is having worn the red and black. There are certain people here who are unable to look past that.
             
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              Grantham is a top 20 DC in the country. Some would argue top 10, but I don't care to argue or make a list. My point is that he's not irreplaceable. And Mullen should be able to hire someone who did just as well if not better.
               
              • Durty South Swamp

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                I honestly dont care what he looks like, how he acts, or what school he coached/played for or at. I care about getting off the field on 3rd and long. I care about a defense playing smart and sound in space, taking good angles, wrapping up and making tackles. And I care about safeties and corners that properly play their assignments and are coached to understand how to be in position to make a play or at least make a TD saving tackle if/when burned or beaten by an offensive play call that exposed the weakness in the defensive play call. For these reasons, I'm fine with him becoming Coach failstate.
                 
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                • bayou gator

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                  Yep. What he said. Durty absolutely nailed it
                   
                  • Swamp Donkey

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                    No dwags is an easy rule and would have cleaned up alot of the Lost Decades.

                    You shouldntry being a Gator yourself some time. Apparently you and Fooley are the only ones not aware that we Gators hate Dwags.
                     
                  • Swamp Donkey

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                    No he isnt.
                     
                    • bayou gator

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                      Please let this be real!!!
                       
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                      You could be right, you could be wrong. One thing we do know, lots of variables to consider.

                      Let me share this.

                      2016 Mississippi State defense (before Grantham)
                      Total rank: 93rd
                      Passing yards per game: 289

                      2017 Mississippi State defense (after Grantham )
                      Total rank: 10th
                      Passing yards per game: 175
                       
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                      A couple of comments from the twitterverse re Grantham:

                      -He’s gonna spend the offseason trying to figure out how to blitz on offense

                      -Mississippi State was staring at a 3rd and 9 in their search for a new head coach, but, in hiring Grantham, have managed to pick up the first down.

                      -I guess next year 3rd down will actually be a meaningful down in Jacksonville

                      -Grantham needs to be a Canadian coach. Since they punt on third down, he won’t get abused on it so often.
                       
                      • Bait'n Gator

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                        Yeah I'm not sure, I believe it was "team defense" or "total defense" but those rankings were

                        2017 - 69th
                        2018 -20th
                        2019 - 7th
                         
                      • Captain Sasquatch

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                        I think that’s scoring defense, which makes sense in 2017 given all the defensive touchdowns scored against us. :lol:
                         
                      • Durty South Swamp

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                        Its pretty clear there is a large consensus about grantham and how effective his defenses are once theyve done the job on 1st and 2nd down. Stereotypes exist for a reason...
                         

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