OSU Saga: Meyer suspended for 3 games

[T REX]

What do you want him to do? Can't fire him for no cause since the guy has not been arrested. The Powell PD report of the 2015 incident contains no actionable details. The only time he gets arrested for trespassing Urban fires him.

Shelley is quoted as saying that Zach "scares her". You absolutely tell your husband, fire Zach and get the woman help. You don't hide it.

 

[T REX]

Yes, I want our judicial system to take its course. That's why we have it. Otherwise let's have the trolls on these boards be judge jury and executioner.

Sorry. It doesn't work that way. These schools and the NFL have a reputation to uphold.

 

[leogator]

Sorry. It doesn't work that way. These schools and the NFL have a reputation to uphold.

So if it turns out that it was a false accusation can a person sue the NFL or the school?

 

[GatorJ]

So if it turns out that it was a false accusation can a person sue the NFL or the school?

What does it matter? He has a duty to report. Period.

What if he heard one of his coaches was molesting a kid? Should he report that?

It’s not up to him to make a decision on whether somebody is guilty or not – it’s his responsibility to just report it and let the system do it’s job.

 

[Blacklabgator]

What does it matter? He has a duty to report. Period.

What if he heard one of his coaches was molesting a kid? Should he report that?

It’s not up to him to make a decision on whether somebody is guilty or not – it’s his responsibility to just report it and let the system do it’s job.

This.

 

[leogator]

Huh? He's been beating on her for years. Shelley is a mandated reporter. Zach is a university employee. How many false accusations have you seen? And so now you don't believe it when you hear it? Are you one of those whack jobs that thinks NFL players need to be convicted to be punished? One of those, eh?

I think you are way off the mark here. Kinda disappointed really.

And yet the only documented case of abuse is in 2009 and she refused to press charges.

Is it a title IX case if Courtney Smith has no ties to the University other than her husband works for the equivalent of UAA?

So who does Shelley report it to?

 

[NVGator]

Boy, Leo is digging his heals in pretty good here. Going with the whole, “No charges were filed” route. Because, you know, police and high profile college coaches have never been known to look the other way.

 

[soflagator]

Yes, I want our judicial system to take its course. That's why we have it. Otherwise let's have the trolls on these boards be judge jury and executioner.

The problem is it's not a judicial matter. To my knowledge, there's no legal exposure for Meyer. It's about perception and position. What you've described about letting things run their course, or giving the benefit of the doubt is fine if you're an average schlep. It isn't fine when you're the face of a football team, university, and to some extent an entire state. You're paid at a different standard, and are thus held to a higher standard. It will be very difficult to prove without a doubt that Meyer knew and elected to do nothing. But it will be impossible to prove he knew nothing and is completely innocent in what is a very sensitive matter.

What you've alluded to about this all being smoke, and the works of a manipulative crazy woman are fine if the charges were against him. He could have his chance to refute the claims and survive. But this is about essentially looking the other way, potentially again and again, without forcing the authorities to determine if she's just a big liar or if one of his coaches is beating his wife on a regular basis. His decision--or even Shelley's decision--to do nothing is the killer.

 

[leogator]

What does it matter? He has a duty to report. Period.

What if he heard one of his coaches was molesting a kid? Should he report that?

It’s not up to him to make a decision on whether somebody is guilty or not – it’s his responsibility to just report it and let the system do it’s job.

So he hears about the 2015 incident, talks to Zach Smith, Zack gives him the police report. Police report says that they found no evidence to support the accusations. What is he supposed to do?

 

[T REX]

So if it turns out that it was a false accusation can a person sue the NFL or the school?

He has a long history abuse. It's not false. The NFL investigates and makes a determination on each case. There isn't a beyond a reasonable doubt threshold. I'm not sure what you are trying to advocate here. OJ was "not guilty". So he should've played if he was actively playing? GTFO.

 

[T REX]

And yet the only documented case of abuse is in 2009 and she refused to press charges.

Is it a title IX case if Courtney Smith has no ties to the University other than her husband works for the equivalent of UAA?

So who does Shelley report it to?

You're out to lunch on this one. Wow.

Records show history of domestic incidents between former Ohio State receivers coach Zach Smith and ex-wife

You seem to have issues regarding this topic that are clouding your logic and reasoning abilities.

 

[leogator]

He has a long history abuse. It's not false. The NFL investigates and makes a determination on each case. There isn't a beyond a reasonable doubt threshold. I'm not sure what you are trying to advocate here. OJ was innocent. So he should've played if he was actively playing? GTFO.

If that was the only thing he was accused of and was exonerated, yes.

 

[leogator]

You're out to lunch on this one. Wow.

Records show history of domestic incidents between former Ohio State receivers coach Zach Smith and ex-wife

You seem to have issues regarding this topic that are clouding your logic and reasoning abilities.

Yes, domestic incidents. Zach Smith was never arrested or charged. The only time Zach Smith was arrested for trespassing he was fired.

 

[soflagator]

So he hears about the 2015 incident, talks to Zach Smith, Zack gives him the police report. Police report says that they found no evidence to support the accusations. What is he supposed to do?

How about talk to Shelley, who clearly knew the Smiths well enough to be texting with her? And if you suggest that she, the wife of the head coach, stonewalled him, that also could be enough of a black eye to warrant a dismissal.

 

[G8trwood]

Doesn’t matter about charges, different systems entirely. It’s crazy everything that is required to be reported these days, but you always report. Just like for child abuse. They don’t want you investigating, just reporting. There could be a lot going on in the background of an allegation you are not aware of.

No brainer.

 

[GatorJ]

So he hears about the 2015 incident, talks to Zach Smith, Zack gives him the police report. Police report says that they found no evidence to support the accusations. What is he supposed to do?

He should report it to the school. Urban has a boss.There are many stances that he should’ve taken as far as just being a human being. But as far as his responsibility to the school he should’ve reported it to the school.

Let me ask you this – if it was truly nothing, then why did he fire Zach? You shouldn’t be upset about Urban being in trouble. You should be upset about Zach being in trouble.

 

[leogator]

He should report it to the school. Urban has a boss.There are many stances that he should’ve taken as far as just being a human being. But as far as his responsibility to the school he should’ve reported it to the school.

Let me ask you this – if it was truly nothing, then why did he fire Zach? You shouldn’t be upset about Urban being in trouble. You should be upset about Zach being in trouble.

Because for the first time he had a documented arrest? For the first time he could fire him for cause? The other times they were just allegations?

 

[leogator]

The problem is it's not a judicial matter. To my knowledge, there's no legal exposure for Meyer. It's about perception and position. What you've described about letting things run their course, or giving the benefit of the doubt is fine if you're an average schlep. It isn't fine when you're the face of a football team, university, and to some extent an entire state. You're paid at a different standard, and are thus held to a higher standard. It will be very difficult to prove without a doubt that Meyer knew and elected to do nothing. But it will be impossible to prove he knew nothing and is completely innocent in what is a very sensitive matter.

What you've alluded to about this all being smoke, and the works of a manipulative crazy woman are fine if the charges were against him. He could have his chance to refute the claims and survive. But this is about essentially looking the other way, potentially again and again, without forcing the authorities to determine if she's just a big liar or if one of his coaches is beating his wife on a regular basis. His decision--or even Shelley's decision--to do nothing is the killer.

The authorities did investigate and did not arrest him. The one time they did arrest him, he was fired.

I am totally floored that the police did not arrest him or her. In DV situations they usually arrest one or both if only to keep them apart. Either there was nothing there at all or he really has some pull if he actually abused her.

 

[NVGator]

There’s only one reasonably explanation to all of this and that is Leo must be a relative of Urban and a beneficiary to his estate.

 

[leogator]

There’s only one reasonably explanation to all of this and that is Leo must be a relative of Urban and a beneficiary to his estate.

I wish, man!