Truth Takes: 2/3 Season Grades 2019

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  1. GatorTruth133

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    The annual bye week before Florida/Georgia usually is a good midway point for the season, usually after seven games, this year it comes at the 2/3 of the season mark. We have played 3 non-conference games, 5 SEC games, and 6 total power 5 games (yes, save the Miami/UT/USCe jokes).

    This is the best start to the season since last year, but in many ways is a better beginning than last year. So far, we have seen the Gators get 1/8 of their all-time total in runs of 75 yards or more, we've seen the best passing season in over a decade, we've dominated Tennessee in ways we haven't in 25 years, and when healthy, we've seen the best statistical pass rush that perhaps we've ever seen. All this without having a fully healthy defense one time, missing our most dynamic offensive weapon in 6 of 8 games, and facing multiple top 50 defenses. Has it all been perfect? No. We've seen massive safety failures, we've had receivers drop balls, we've had questionable playcalling at times, QB's have missed throws, but we know the best is yet to come when we have a fully available team for the first time this entire season.

    It's also been fun watching FSU continue to fail, even in a couple wins, UT fail, Muschamp fail, Butters overall fail, and having a few good Bye Weeks with plenty to watch. BTW, WTF has Chip Kelly done to turn it around the last few weeks? Kicking the crap out of ASU...a top 25 team...wut?

    Offense

    QB's- A-

    When you're having one of the best passing seasons in over a decade it's hard to grade lower than this. However, some of the negatives of the season can be contributed to either the overall lack of coaching Franks had in his life, the lack of starting experience for Trask, the O-line, and/or playcalling putting them in the wrong position at times. Overall, we had 7 straight games with 250+ passing yards, the 8th game had 4 passing TD's, and that is nothing to be upset over. What Trask has done in the context of not playing much for 7 years is ridiculous and he will only get better. I feel bad for Franks, but I don't think many are arguing this is Trask's team as long as he wants it to be.

    RB's-B+
    I cannot fault the running backs for the poor play of the O-line. They have missed some holes. They have also set a record for most 75+ yard runs (ok, one was Hammond, but still we have time) in a season, showing that when they are given an opening, they can break a long run at any point. Over the last few weeks we have seen their production increase against Auburn, LSU, and USCe. Not exactly the part of the schedule you would expect to see them start getting it going with the line. We also have seen very few mistakes in pass protection from the group as a whole. At one point, Perine was our leading receiver and still is #3 in receptions with 22 catches (Swain and Hammond both have 21). If the Gators continue to improve in the run blocking aspect of the game, I expect the numbers for our running backs to take an extreme incline up.

    WR-A
    These guys have been solid. A few drops that shouldn't have happened. A few where people say "WeLl it WOulD Be a DiFFiCuLt CatCH" (yes, that is to mock that crap), most difficult catch drops are still catchable, you're at UF, not FIU, I expect some difficult catches. Heck we've see some nice ones. One of my favorites so far? Freddie Swain's diving TD at USCe. Heck Copeland has dropped two probable TD's, but made up for it in Columbia with a great catch and run for a score. The emergence of Trask has also helped these guys produce. As Trask grows and the O-line grows, so will these guys. Heck, if our running game grows and defenses have to respect it again, look out, these guys might really put up some numbers. And all of this has happened without Toney, wait until you have one more guy out there to keep an eye on.

    TE-B
    Kyle Pitts may be the greatest TE in the country and its not just Gators fans and writers saying that. This guy is a nightmare and match up problem for opposing defenses. I think Mullen is using the bye week to scheme getting him the ball more. Why the B? Well, Pitts isn't the only TE though he seems like it. Also, our TE's have been an issue with run blocking. So for all the good the last few weeks with Pitts, the group as a whole could do better.

    OL- C-
    Some might find this grade as generous. You'd probably be right. The offensive line has overall been downright pitiful when it comes to run blocking. Even on the Auburn TD run Heggie was late getting over to the LB, but Perine broke the tackle, the run, and the hearts of Auburn fans. It is also true that the O-line has faced the best front sevens it will face in the regular season, possibly UGA will be up there. The reason I didn't go lower is two fold. One, the running game has started looking better over the past few weeks. And two, the pass blocking, with a few very noticeable exceptions, has been pretty good. These guys do deserve some credit for the passing renaissance we've craved for so long as Gators fans.

    Defense

    DL-A
    When healthy this group is one of the best in the nation. Greenard and Zuniga are the best DE duo in the nation. Hopefully they are healthy for UGA. I can't blame these guys much for LSU because of injuries and because of the sheer lack of any integrity on display by the SEC officials whenever LSU holds. Yesterday was bad, so was our game in Baton Rouge. Of course, we also decided to let the offense have the slant all day in Baton Rouge meaning the ball got out quickly all the time too. We do probably need to step up some at DT, but I would also argue that sometimes the LB's are missing gaps that the DL creates for the LB to get in a wreak havoc in the backfield or at the line. A healthy DL would put fear in the rest of our schedule.

    LB-B
    There's good, there's bad, there's everything in between with this group. David Reese continues to be an All-SEC caliber player, but behind him is a bag of mixed emotion. These guys will go well against Auburn's rushing attack to turnaround and let LSU and Carolina break some long ones. Some of that may be the lack of double teams to get Zuniga or Greenard, but missing gap assignments is all on you. Burney is pretty good in coverage, where Reese fails, but he should be moved to another position IMO.

    CB/Star-A
    These guys have done well. Even the young back ups have done well when Hendo was out. Some mistakes have happened, but no player is perfect. The line behind them has made them look bad a few times as well.

    Safeties-C+
    There is not a worse safety in the modern era of Florida football than Donovan Stiner in my opinion. And yet, there is not a luckier safety with the blind squirrel/nut situation than Donovan Stiner. This guy will miss tons of tackles, allow big plays, and then have Bo Nix throw a ball right at him so he doesn't even have to take a step to get to the ball for a pick. Taylor, best description of him is the EPIC whiff on a big Miami receiver to allow a TD. Even Sports Illustrated has come out and said they need to stop rotating in, but Grantham and English are going to ride this train until they can't anymore.

    Stewart and Davis have been solid, but unspectacular. They did blow some plays this season as well. However, there is a noticeable difference most of the time when these two are on the field as opposed to the other two. The open field tackling needs to get better as it has allowed too many big plays when the safety has been in position and just failed. Being in better position helps out the CB/Star positions. The LB's knowing the safeties can tackle behind them allows them to think less and play more because if the RB somehow bounces out of the gap they just filled, the back won't go forever and a day further.

    Special Teams

    Punting- A

    Don't think there's a better punter than Townsend, he also was rarely used in the first 6 games, so there's that.

    Kicking- A
    McPherson continues his march to what I hope is the all-time leading scorer ending.

    Return Games (All)-F
    It's called Return, not fielding. Make some plays. Hell, just make a return where it even looks slightly dangerous, but nothing much was gained because of a shoestring tackle, something...


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    Anyways, next week is for the season. We beat UGA and the chances of Atlanta are well over 90% in my opinion. For us not to go, we would have to lose to Mizzou and/or Vandy and Mizzou would have to win out. I don't see much, if any of that happening if we win next week.

    Go Gators!

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      Good read and you have every right to your opinions so I am not going to critique them.

      However I am going to disagree with you vehemently on one opinion. Donovan Stiner is horrendous but is not even close to the worst safety in Gator history modern or not. That distinction clearly goes to and is reserved for Kyle Jackson. Sorry no debate. Anyone who has seen Gator football for more than 5 minutes will agree. Not only on the field, but the fact that KJ came in as a 5* safety recruit ranked as the top or 2nd best safety in the country. Never seen a safety take worse angles in both pass coverage and run support. Stiner was at least a recruit that few top teams even knew. KJ will forever own this title.
       
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        Good stuff, Truth... but did we win the bye week???
         
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          Good takes TT.

          The ST's has been disappointing (not necessarily the K & P, but the return game and the punt/kick block units). I'm not sure if we don't have the personnel, if the opportunity hasn't presented itself, or what the issue is...but it's unimpressive. I'd rather see the PR guy return it for one yard vs. taking a fair catch - you can't 'break one' if you fair catch it every time.

          I think the LB play has been just as bad as the Safety play. Reese is a solid ILB, but other than him the group is just mediocre to bad. This is going to be a problem next season.

          Can't argue w/ the other grades. I'd give Trask an A+ considering where he came from....and coupled w/ Franks grade, the overall QB grade is probably over-inflated (Franks was pretty awful in his shortened season).

          Agree w/ FF about Kyle Jackson. Not sure what happened w/ him, but he got worse every year he was here. BTW, he's a pharmaceutical rep in the Jacksonville area (or at least he was).
           
          • GatorTruth133

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            I keep forgetting about Kyle Jackson and without looking fill in Major Wright over him in '07 mentally and Reggie Nelson in '06 and of course Tony Joiner was at the other spot both years.

            I don't know. Let's see if we actually do get everyone back healthy and if our defensive game planning gets back up to form.

            I think we honestly should move Dean and Burney to Safety and put Elam or Kimbrough at the Star. I'll disagree with the "pretty awful" for Franks. The guy had some good stats. Some bad plays, but he also did good things. The line definitely did not help him. I'm not saying he was great, but the guy did have one of only 3 passing TD's UK has given up this season and was doing better than any UF QB since Tebow numbers wise with the multiple 250+ passing yards games in a row. Granted that competition was Miami and UT-Martin, but still was there. To reiterate, not saying he was great, but "pretty awful" I think is too harsh.
             
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              He went 25 of 27 vs. UT-Martin. Outside of that he almost cost us the Miami game, and surely we would have lost the Kentucky game had he not gotten injured. He was a human turnover machine. He regressed. He was 'pretty awful' (and that's being nice). But, sure, the OL is bad....

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              OMG. Alligator arms Kyle Jackson. Ever imagine what a safety who was afraid of getting hit would play like? KJ answered the question. Here's KJ favorite position. Keep those arms in KJ, better to protect yourself.
              KJ.jpg


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              Comedy gold, Jerry.

              Despite warnings of apocalyptic failure due to our supposed inability to run stop by a certain unamed poster (Swonkey) It has been nary a problem. Nobody has ran up and down the field on us.
               
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                Pretty much everything you said is what I've been thinking. You just said it better than I could.
                 
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                  I always turn to your truth, to know where we lie. :confused:
                   
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                    Kyle Jackson instantly came to mind when worst safety was mentioned. Worst of it all was we had high hopes For him after 2004 as he made a few big hits and plays especially in the win at Doak to end the year. Seemed like number 3 was always runnning into the play 2 steps late...
                     
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                      Too high of grades for our front 7, they are good at times, but very inconsistent and pretty bad at some times as well. Perhaps the experience and having all healthy will improve the situation.

                      Poor pass rush and somewhat poor d on the run as well.
                       
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                        I enjoy your takes, but argue there's zero truth to this one. Our D line is abysmal, and if it wasnt for gren and zu it would be one of the worst in the nation. The 2 starting edge rushers are excellent, but there's nothing behind them and theyve both been in and out all year providing no consistency. The defensive interior is awful - undersized and not strong enough to hold up against good Olines. They give up rush yards like t's mom gives head and get abused against size and talent. We do have some beef in the rotation, but they arent the starters and dont play a lot. Grantham seems to love playing 270 lb DEs at the DT/NT spots so that maybe he can get a little pressure on 3rd and passing. Trouble is against the only good team we played this year, we never saw a 3rd and passing because they were resetting the chains after every 1 to 2 plays whether it was run or throw.

                        I think we'll beat the dwags next Saturday but not because of anything we do on defense, and certainly not because of D line play, but because of how bad their offense is despite the talent. If they were any of the dwag teams the last 3 years we'd get beat down against them specificaly because of our significant shortcomings on the D line.
                         
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                          I can't give the front seven as much crap when they have been in top 5 in sacks all season and despite inconsistency have shut down plenty of teams. I would like more consistency.

                          I'll agree to disagree here on the wording of pretty awful. If we want to argue that getting hit while throwing is all on the QB, sure thing. That alone counts for at least two of the TO's, I've said my peace about he shouldn't have thrown the one, but it would also be a lie to say Delance doesn't hit him from the front as he's throwing it as well.

                          There is definitely some truth to this. I would also add that us playing soft on the receivers allowing quick throws (have I ever mentioned the benefits of a quick passing game?). IDGAF if the line is Brown, Warren, Culpepper, and Youngblood if the QB can get the ball out in less than 2 seconds it doesn't matter who is on that line. Yes, should have been better, but coaching is definitely a big part here. Plus, almost, if not all blitzes were designed so the extra men had to take a second or two to get into the box (such as the blitzing of safeties from their spot 10 yards from the line) rendering it ineffective. We will see what adjustments will be made and go from there. Go back and watch a few big runs given up. I guarantee you will see a LB or Safety missing an assignment and over half will be a play at or behind the line of scrimmage.
                           
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                            Sacks stats or about 5% of the job of a defensive line, especially when most of them are created by lining up a defensive end 6 yards outside and giving them a free speed rush.

                            Being terrible with the other 95% of the job is why Jachai Polite is unemployed and why most of our defensive linemen will be also.
                             
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                              Greenard is not the same as Polite. Zuniga might be though.
                               
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                                no neither are. I wasn't implying that but both are marginal at best trying to line up against an SEC offensive tackle and stop the run. Zuniga's better than granard but Greenard's basically playing out of position. he is an outside linebacker. that's what he's always been. he's not meant to line up nose to nose to 320 lb defensive tackle.

                                Zuniga gets played as a strong-side defensive end meaning he gets the road grader tackle which isn't a good matchup for him.

                                In the pros Greenard will be an outside linebacker again and Zuniga will be a weak-side defensive end, or outside linebacker (like Polite).
                                 
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                                  Man I don’t know... I believe you on being out of position but Greenard seems to impact the game much more than Zuniga. Zuniga feels like a one trick pony.
                                   
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                                    Zuniga would impact tue game more at Rush. Greenard wouldnt do much at SDE either. Both are out of position regardless.
                                     
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                                      Sorry Law, after this whole Trask thing.... I just can't really take a single opinion of yours seriously. Glad you at least still give an opinion.
                                       
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                                        Sure, let's agree to disagree on Franks. But I'll tell you this right now, if he had not gotten injured vs. Kentucky we'd be - at a minimum - a 2 loss team right now, and we very likely don't beat Auburn w/ the way he was playing (so 3 losses) and going into this FL/GA game the narrative would be completely different. But, sure, Franks was an A-.
                                         

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