UF football under NCAA investigation: Marcus Castro-Walker Fired

[URGatorBait]

one of them was written by nick delatore for what its worth. not sure of his masturbation habits however...

once it's out, everyone jumps on.......kinda like t-gators moms titties

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

Unless something comes up that would be completely out of character for Napier or a member of the administration.

It doesn't necessarily require Napier to have done something wrong. It could be that he should have known someone on his staff did something wrong. I.e. lack of institutional control.

If we don't have the controls in place to make sure we don't have 2 guys on the field with the same jersey number, it's not a stretch to imagine that our compliance controls might be lacking as well.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

They have known about the NCAA sniffing around this before even the show cause was submitted. This is the NCAA trying to show they are "enforcing" by investigation. Unless something comes up that would be completely out of character for Napier

His nickname at Alabama and Clemson was Billy Bags. Bammers still call him that.

 

[soflagator]

the only reason this got released to the public was a writer who likes to beat off to bad news about the Gators.

 

[TheDouglas78]

It doesn't necessarily require Napier to have done something wrong. It could be that he should have known someone on his staff did something wrong. I.e. lack of institutional control.

If we don't have the controls in place to make sure we don't have 2 guys on the field with the same jersey number, it's not a stretch to imagine that our compliance controls might be lacking as well.

Which is why I mentioned anyone in the building, not just coaches. And Compliance Controls since the 80s is the one thing I do believe are good. They stay on top of that because the university doesn't want to look bad more than anything. The product on the field is less important.

 

[Theologator]

Good article laying it all out:

With Alex Atkins and Jaden Rashada cases, FSU and Florida football face NIL violations. Here's what to know

The Florida State Seminoles football team has been punished by the NCAA for recruiting violations, while the Florida Gators are under investigation.

www.tallahassee.com

Interesting angle here:

The 1-2 punch against Florida's two most popular teams brought out the conspiracy theories from Florida CFO Jimmy Patronis, who claimed on social media the investigations were retaliation against Gov. Ron DeSantis for relocating about 50 Venezuelan migrants to Martha's Vineyard in 2022 (NCAA President Charlie Baker was the governor of Massachusetts at the time).

WHY is the ex-Governor of Massachusetts running the NCAA??? Isn’t BC the only D1 program in the whole state? Absurd!

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

Isn’t BC the only D1 program in the whole state? Absurd!

Is BC really a D1 program?

 

[Spurdog98]

Is BC really a D1 program?

Their Crew team is a powerhouse

 

[Theologator]

Their Crew team is a powerhouse

No, it isn’t.

Sometimes BC is wicked good at hockey, but BU has won way more beanpots.

 

[AuggieDosta]

No, it isn’t.

Sometimes BC is wicked good at hockey, but BU has won way more beanpots.

 

[Theologator]

Trying to sort this out…please amend and correct as needed…

1. The NCAA cannot inhibit athletes from making NIL money or transferring at will.

2. Universities cannot offer financial inducements to players or recruits. (Does this include boosters?)

3. But universities CAN set up “collectives” (which is a very communist word) to provide NIL opportunities and income and to advise/coach athletes on making and managing money.

4. But the teams’ coaches, staff and administrators must not connect the players to those collectives. So the money athletes are offered is theoretically disconnected from their coaches’ evaluations of their production and potential. (This makes sense if Mertz gets an F-150 for his face on a Gainesville Ford billboard. It makes no sense if there are bidding wars as reported.)

5. Criticizing Stricklin, Napier etc. for not paying players enough, or budgeting enough for paying them, is misguided because they cannot do that (although their success depends on it.)

6. Given all of the above, there is no current path for putting players on contracts that control transferring, have non-compete clauses, etc. or induce them to commit to stay for 2-3 years. The university cannot involve the collective in any such agreements.

 

[CU-UF]

I think you are correct in your outline. The NCAA/Universities are trying to twist everything in pretzels just so they can avoid making the players employees. It would have been cleaner and more in-line with the spirit of NIL if all the players were made employees. After all, the whole issue was the universities getting these massive TV contracts and the players getting nothing. So now we still have these massive TV contracts with the players getting none of that pie, and instead fans and boosters paying the players?! Of course the whole anti-trust thing and salary cap issue would have to be addressed, but hey all the other professional leagues figured it out.

 

[RocketCityGator]

I think you are correct in your outline. The NCAA/Universities are trying to twist everything in pretzels just so they can avoid making the players employees. It would have been cleaner and more in-line with the spirit of NIL if all the players were made employees. After all, the whole issue was the universities getting these massive TV contracts and the players getting nothing. So now we still have these massive TV contracts with the players getting none of that pie, and instead fans and boosters paying the players?! Of course the whole anti-trust thing and salary cap issue would have to be addressed, but hey all the other professional leagues figured it out.

I see what you did there, "professional leagues". If they make employees of the student athletes, I will quit watching. And honestly, I am almost there now.

"universities getting these massive TV contracts and the players getting nothing" - this is factually incorrect. They get a $200k education (including room and board) and hundreds of thousands in professional development. I don't call that "nothing".

 

[CU-UF]

I see what you did there, "professional leagues". If they make employees of the student athletes, I will quit watching. And honestly, I am almost there now.

"universities getting these massive TV contracts and the players getting nothing" - this is factually incorrect. They get a $200k education (including room and board) and hundreds of thousands in professional development. I don't call that "nothing".

I mean in relation to the TV contracts. Its a pretty lame argument to equate a 200k education over 4 years to 100 million coaches salary and a 60 million (soon to be 100 million) annual payment the school gets for having the players play. But thats fine, its your opinion and I understand people that feel this way. I have no issue with the players benefiting from that pot of money in some reasonable fashion. The problem is the NCAA did none of that.

But you might as well stop watching now, because if you follow the trendlines of this fiasco, its never going back to the "good ol'days"

 

[Spurdog98]

No, it isn’t.

Sometimes BC is wicked good at hockey, but BU has won way more beanpots.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Trying to sort this out…please amend and correct as needed…

1. The NCAA cannot inhibit athletes from making NIL money or transferring at will.

2. Universities cannot offer financial inducements to players or recruits. (Does this include boosters?)

3. But universities CAN set up “collectives” (which is a very communist word) to provide NIL opportunities and income and to advise/coach athletes on making and managing money.

4. But the teams’ coaches, staff and administrators must not connect the players to those collectives. So the money athletes are offered is theoretically disconnected from their coaches’ evaluations of their production and potential. (This makes sense if Mertz gets an F-150 for his face on a Gainesville Ford billboard. It makes no sense if there are bidding wars as reported.)

5. Criticizing Stricklin, Napier etc. for not paying players enough, or budgeting enough for paying them, is misguided because they cannot do that (although their success depends on it.)

6. Given all of the above, there is no current path for putting players on contracts that control transferring, have non-compete clauses, etc. or induce them to commit to stay for 2-3 years. The university cannot involve the collective in any such agreements.

1. Yes
2. Yes and yes depending on how that booster is giving the money
3. I don't believe the universities can directly set up, but partner with (this is a grey area at least to me)
4. Yes
5. Napier maybe, Stricklin yes... this is where that grey area is in this partnership...
6. The NCAA decided not to get ahead of this, and that is why there was a lawsuit and where we are today.

 

[Gator By Marriage]

1. Yes
2. Yes and yes depending on how that booster is giving the money
3. I don't believe the universities can directly set up, but partner with (this is a grey area at least to me)
4. Yes
5. Napier maybe, Stricklin yes... this is where that grey area is in this partnership...
6. The NCAA decided not to get ahead of this, and that is why there was a lawsuit and where we are today.

The stupidity of the NCAA in relation to this issue alone was particularly foolish. Why they chose to stick their heads in the sand and hope it went away is baffling. Every organization I ever been a part of has always had one eye on he horizon in front of us. They should have had guidelines ready to go in case (or rather “when”) this came about. Anyone with a brain knew the day where players would be allowed to make money on the side was coming.

 

[TheDouglas78]

The stupidity of the NCAA in relation to this issue alone was particularly foolish. Why they chose to stick their heads in the sand and hope it went away is baffling. Every organization I ever been a part of has always had one eye on he horizon in front of us. They should have had guidelines ready to go in case (or rather “when”) this came about. Anyone with a brain knew the day where players would be allowed to make money on the side was coming.

We all knew it was going to happen in the late 90s/early 00s. It was just a matter of time before someone took them to court with the means to actually last without tapping out due to cost. This was incredibly short sighted on their end.

 

[Double Gator Dad]

I mean in relation to the TV contracts. Its a pretty lame argument to equate a 200k education over 4 years to 100 million coaches salary and a 60 million (soon to be 100 million) annual payment the school gets for having the players play. But thats fine, its your opinion and I understand people that feel this way. I have no issue with the players benefiting from that pot of money in some reasonable fashion. The problem is the NCAA did none of that.

But you might as well stop watching now, because if you follow the trendlines of this fiasco, its never going back to the "good ol'days"

For the record, there are about 400 athletes on scholarship at UF. The math says that is $80 million over four years.
The athletes are getting their fair share of the TV money, it’s just not going to the athletes that are earning the money. It’s a socialist system.

 

[Gator By Marriage]

For the record, there are about 400 athletes on scholarship at UF. The math says that is $80 million over four years.

Is that 400 athletes or 400 athletic scholarships? I ask because other than football or basketball, most male athletes are on partial schollies.

The athletes are getting their fair share of the TV money, it’s just not going to the athletes that are earning the money. It’s a socialist system.

And a legally protected socialist system; thank you Title IX!