Damning article from GC

[GatorJ]

According to the 2016 Florida Gator Roster we have 4 DL who are 290 or above:
Ivie 301
Bryan 293
Clark 319
Brantley 297

That isn't enough at DT for a season of SEC football. We have talent and experience.. but we lack size. It takes more than 4 DT's to get through an SEC season. Which is a cause for so many centers and guards getting cleanly to the second level of our defense.

https://floridagators.com/roster.aspx?path=football

Your quote was experience and talent. Not depth. Depth is a different issue all together.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Your quote was experience and talent. Not depth. Depth is a different issue all together.

If we only have 4 we lack depth, experience and talent. Because 4 is only 4. They can be the best 4 players in college football, but they are only 4 in a position that gets worn down. If we do not have experience and talent behind them, we have a lack of experience and talent.

 

[GatorJ]

If we only have 4 we lack depth, experience and talent. Because 4 is only 4. They can be the best 4 players in college football, but they are only 4 in a position that gets worn down. If we do not have experience and talent behind them, we have a lack of experience and talent.

We don't have an issue with talent or experience.

 

[TheDouglas78]

We don't have an issue with talent or experience.

So we have more than 4 DT's with experience and talent... if say two get injured, we have the experience and talent to have a rotation.

 

[divits]

It's amazing how so many gave Chump 3.75 years of optimism yet Mac gets 1.25 years. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but so many excuses were made for Chump, with Fat Charlie or Driskel or Roper or Treon but the line has been drawn in the sand with Mac right now. Just funny.

"Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it"

I was done with Muschamp half way into his 3rd year. My hesitancy to fire him right away was based on the fact that there really were not many viable candidates available and I didn't want to go from frying pan to fire. As it turns out, waiting another year only allowed us to go....that's right.....from frying pan to fire.

You've no doubt read the statistics. You've seen the games. You've seen the recruiting. We are repeating the Muschamp mistakes. If someone wants to point out the positives feel free.

 

[RocketCityGator]

I'm a teetotaler so its not alcohol influencing my judgment on Hee Haw. If I may share my own journey a bit here, I was never on board with Muschamp from the minute he was announced, mostly because I didn't think hiring somebody with no head coaching experience at all made any sense. I was totally onboard with the Mac hire from the beginning through about halfway last season. I was still onboard after the Grier suspension and the first game or two through Treon last season, I thought "well its a tough situation and he's just doing the best he can with what he has, which is nothing." But as the season dragged to a pitiful and painful close, I really got disenchanted with his seeming inability or unwillingness to change things up at all. The way we closed out the year was embarrassing. I thought, hey, we'll see him pound the recruiting trail hard, he'll parley winning the SEC East into landing a good, maybe even great class. But we didn't land a good class, we landed a mediocre class at best. And now 5 games into this year, its the same old stuff. An offense that appears just as inept as ever, a defense that is good but susceptible to overconfidence, poor special teams, and no answers from Hee Haw, just ridiculous sayings and coach speak.

I think everybody should be evaluated on their results. So far Hee Haw's results are pretty mediocre and the deficiencies are manifest. I feel like we should be championship caliber most years and instead we seem to be fighting just to be mediocre. I'm not ok with that.

Best post that I have seen in a while.

 

[GatorJ]

So we have more than 4 DT's with experience and talent... if say two get injured, we have the experience and talent to have a rotation.

I already said we don't have depth. I said that in my original response.

You can continue replying. But I'm done responding to you on this. You will argue anything to death.

 

[TheDouglas78]

I already said we don't have depth. I said that in my original response.

You can continue replying. But I'm done responding to you on this. You will argue anything to death.

If we have not depth, we also lack experience and talent.... it's not that hard of an equation.

 

[GatorBart]

Sooo sorry I huwt your fewwlings.....

I understand your frustration - however, to take it out on other Gator fans is sophomoric, as is your response above.

 

[BMF]

I understand your frustration - however, to take it out on other Gator fans is sophomoric, as is your response above.

Re-read what I wrote. I said "pumpers can suck it". THEN I said if anyone thinks this program is heading in the right direction they are.... Sure some pumpers are in that boat, but I did separate it.

Another thing; the main reason I love this board is it is NOT Gatorcountry or Gatorbait or any of the other corporate style Gator boards where EVERYONE is a pumper. This board ALLOWS...in fact, ENCOURAGES, harsh real-life comments. If you can't handle it, go to Gatorcountry and post. You'll find 1000 other people who think everything is great and we're on the brink of reclaiming our status as a national power. Hell, most of them think we are STILL a national power.

 

[oxrageous]

I start to notice things other programs do to get their players pumped up. Have you seen that entrance that Clemson does at their games? I was also poking fun at the UT players earlier this year that were jumping up and down on the sideline like fools, but I've come to realize that's far better than our zombies, who sit around and don't speak to each other and look like they'd like to be anywhere else. Does it suck to play college football? Watching these guys you would think it does.

And that's what bugs me the most - the coaches can't motivate this group at all. They are going through the motions. I keep saying Pineiro is the only one who shows any emotion, the only one that seems excited to be there. That's pathetic. Do the coaches notice it? Try something, anything, to get these guys excited to play.

 

[OllieGator]

I'm a teetotaler so its not alcohol influencing my judgment on Hee Haw. If I may share my own journey a bit here, I was never on board with Muschamp from the minute he was announced, mostly because I didn't think hiring somebody with no head coaching experience at all made any sense. I was totally onboard with the Mac hire from the beginning through about halfway last season. I was still onboard after the Grier suspension and the first game or two through Treon last season, I thought "well its a tough situation and he's just doing the best he can with what he has, which is nothing." But as the season dragged to a pitiful and painful close, I really got disenchanted with his seeming inability or unwillingness to change things up at all. The way we closed out the year was embarrassing. I thought, hey, we'll see him pound the recruiting trail hard, he'll parley winning the SEC East into landing a good, maybe even great class. But we didn't land a good class, we landed a mediocre class at best. And now 5 games into this year, its the same old stuff. An offense that appears just as inept as ever, a defense that is good but susceptible to overconfidence, poor special teams, and no answers from Hee Haw, just ridiculous sayings and coach speak.

I think everybody should be evaluated on their results. So far Hee Haw's results are pretty mediocre and the deficiencies are manifest. I feel like we should be championship caliber most years and instead we seem to be fighting just to be mediocre. I'm not ok with that.

Exactly how I have felt Ocala. Why not shake things up at the end of last season...could we have lost or looked any worse?

 

[deuce]

Win or lose, I'm a Gator,,,,,, Have been for 60 years. I've been there for the Bad and the Very Good and the difference can be as simple as a good or bad bounce.

Many people want to simplify the game equation but experience has shown me that the biggest, strongest, fastest and best coached team doesn't always win, if they did, we wouldn't need to play the game. As a matter of record favored teams lose about 50% of the time.

So what does this mean for Florida? ( DISCLAMER: I'm not a Happy Gator Fan, I see the same flaws that most of you see and I want desperately to see improvement!) But, Florida isn't as bad as some think and Mac isn't as bad a Coach as many think... What I see is lack of Momentum, in almost every facet of the game. From recruiting to clock management, from play calling to fan involvement, from sideline deportment to stupid penalties! Florida has lost it's MoJo and other teams can sense it also. UT was down but didn't quit..... Vandy wasn't afraid of anything we did, because they both could see and feel our lack of "MOJO"!
Yes, we need to play better. Yes, we need to recruit better. Yes. we need to make better in game adjustments. Yes, we need to be stronger and tougher but the thing we need most is Momentum! Get ahead and step on the gas! When Spurrier was hanging 50 on everybody, he wasn't playing for stats and records... He was tearing their hearts out on the 50 yard line and stomping on them! We need that mentality again plus some breaks (Big Plays)!

We may win by 1 Saturday or we may lose by 20, either way, I'll still pull for my team, The Mighty Florida Gators!

*Mac may not be the answer but he is our Coach until he isn't. Ugly babies and all.

 

[BMF]

As a matter of record favored teams lose about 50% of the time.

Duece, nice post....but this is way off. The "favored" team wins "straight up" most of the time. When you go AGAINST THE SPREAD, you are correct...."about 50% of the time". That's why there's a point spread.

 

[deuce]

I stand corrected...

https://www.philsteele.com/blogs/2012/Aug12/DBAug1.html

 

[GatorBart]

Re-read what I wrote. I said "pumpers can suck it". THEN I said if anyone thinks this program is heading in the right direction they are.... Sure some pumpers are in that boat, but I did separate it.

Another thing; the main reason I love this board is it is NOT Gatorcountry or Gatorbait or any of the other corporate style Gator boards where EVERYONE is a pumper. This board ALLOWS...in fact, ENCOURAGES, harsh real-life comments. If you can't handle it, go to Gatorcountry and post. You'll find 1000 other people who think everything is great and we're on the brink of reclaiming our status as a national power. Hell, most of them think we are STILL a national power.

So when UF wins on Saturday, I can say 'suck it BMF!' and to all the other dumpers picking LSU to kick our butts on Saturday? I could, if I was 14.

 

[TLB]

Another thing; the main reason I love this board is it is NOT Gatorcountry or Gatorbait or any of the other corporate style Gator boards where EVERYONE is a pumper. This board ALLOWS...in fact, ENCOURAGES, harsh real-life comments. If you can't handle it, go to Gatorcountry and post. You'll find 1000 other people who think everything is great and we're on the brink of reclaiming our status as a national power. Hell, most of them think we are STILL a national power.

So....what we can take from this is that Ox has built GatorHater.com, as opposed to a supportive fan site. Got it.

I do take exception with the last remark "most of them think we are STILL a national power.", because many of the people here have that same belief. They have not lowered their expectations in cadence with our tailspin over the last many years and are continuing to exclaim all those at fault, and for what reasons, that we are not currently a national power but we should be because FLORIDA. Fact is, we're not a national power. We haven't been for quite awhile. In fact, we haven't been a regional, or even state, power for quite some time. It's a fact. Members on here, while wanting that is fine, need to accept that it is NOT what we are or have been lately.

Not calling you individually out on that last one BMF - there's plenty that fit the bill with you.

 

[T REX]

So....what we can take from this is that Ox has built GatorHater.com, as opposed to a supportive fan site. Got it.

I do take exception with the last remark "most of them think we are STILL a national power.", because many of the people here have that same belief. They have not lowered their expectations in cadence with our tailspin over the last many years and are continuing to exclaim all those at fault, and for what reasons, that we are not currently a national power but we should be because FLORIDA. Fact is, we're not a national power. We haven't been for quite awhile. In fact, we haven't been a regional, or even state, power for quite some time. It's a fact. Members on here, while wanting that is fine, need to accept that it is NOT what we are or have been lately.

Not calling you individually out on that last one BMF - there's plenty that fit the bill with you.

This is the other sites policy!

"GC Posters may not request or call for a coaching change for any coach in any sport.

This is not to say it may not be needed or that it is, but such threads and conversations turn this board into a single obsession by certain posters who will use the entire game threads and other threads to get their point out excessively. Every thread has the potential for this so we just nip it in the bud.

Those posts will be deleted.

Criticism of the staff of any sport is fair game. However, if these criticisms rise to the level of insults the poster will be removed for a couple of days. If he/she persists they may be banned. These are words like moron, stupid, lazy, quitter or any other derogatory term that the moderators may see.

Comparisons to Coach Muschamp or Zook will be considered an insult because they were both fired. I know these are popular in the game thread, but the posts are deleted if spotted."

What a freaking joke.

 

[TLB]

.... What I see is lack of Momentum, in almost every facet of the game. From recruiting to clock management, from play calling to fan involvement, from sideline deportment to stupid penalties! Florida has lost it's MoJo and other teams can sense it also. UT was down but didn't quit..... Vandy wasn't afraid of anything we did, because they both could see and feel our lack of "MOJO"!
Yes, we need to play better. Yes, we need to recruit better. Yes. we need to make better in game adjustments. Yes, we need to be stronger and tougher but the thing we need most is Momentum! Get ahead and step on the gas! When Spurrier was hanging 50 on everybody, he wasn't playing for stats and records... He was tearing their hearts out on the 50 yard line and stomping on them! We need that mentality again plus some breaks (Big Plays)!

I'm on board with this to a large degree. Nobody has feared us in a LOOOooooonnnng time. We haven't given them a reason to. We're counting on all those facets - play calling, individual player development and execution, recruiting of players with the will to dominate and coaches that can draw it out and apply it on the field. But we're struggling to get any of those facets working even part time.

There is a level of "will to kill" in SOS, Meyer, Saban, and Harbaugh that is readily visible. It is exceptionally rare. Unfortunately we had it twice and lost both of them, so we're doubly spoiled in terms of that style of leadership. Reality is, as rare as that "will to kill" is in coaches, we will be hard pressed to find it again. But we hope. However, when you can get that type of leadership, it permeates the program. Coaches call plays and motivate players in a way that gets them pumped on the field and driving for that "will to kill", or perhaps it's more known as "will to win" though I see these elite coaches as going beyond winning and building a program identity, a way of being that builds upon itself - kids want to play for that type of program, coaches want to work there, and championships are won, mercilessly.

I think WM had a "will to kill" but he'd be arrested for his version and it was highly counter productive for winning. That's not Mac. I'd hoped it was his non-public side that the players and coaches would see, but we would have seen hints of it by now publicly and it's not in him. He wants to win, and he has some ideas on how to get it done, but it isn't a laser focus on dominating, it's more of 'how do I get thru this game with more points than them?'.

I start to notice things other programs do to get their players pumped up. Have you seen that entrance that Clemson does at their games? I was also poking fun at the UT players earlier this year that were jumping up and down on the sideline like fools, but I've come to realize that's far better than our zombies, who sit around and don't speak to each other and look like they'd like to be anywhere else. Does it suck to play college football? Watching these guys you would think it does.

And that's what bugs me the most - the coaches can't motivate this group at all. They are going through the motions. I keep saying Pineiro is the only one who shows any emotion, the only one that seems excited to be there. That's pathetic. Do the coaches notice it? Try something, anything, to get these guys excited to play.

More of what I replied above. There is no fire in any individual that can spread thru the program. I'm against gimmicks, but I agree with you I'd like to see a clear direction and expectation that unifies the team's intent and drives them to be accountable to one another for execution. But again, it's not there - not with this staff, not with these players.

 

[TLB]

This is the other sites policy!

I'm with you. I was half joking, as I do appreciate that Ox has made a place for speaking one's mind with honesty. And, I do recognize the others keep their ear muffs on too much in an effort to block out reality.