It's not the coach

[Durty South Swamp]

did he really count how many likes hes received in this thread?

 

[88drgator]

did he really count how many likes hes received in this thread?

Yeah, and won't answer what our W-L should be for next year:rolleyes:

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

OP against the board right now:

 

[oxrageous]

Sas, you are normally a staunch pumper, but I've noticed a lot of cracks in your armor there. Where do you stand on Mac?

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Sas doesn't want to pump b/c even he knows mac aint it... but it doesn't change the fact that hes a pumper at heart and loves to see a fellow pumper do his thing.

 

[oxrageous]

Hell, even Queenie said she doesn't even like watching the games. I was shocked.

 

[GatorJB]

The OP makes some good points, but you need to look at the season as a whole, not just one game. Evidence that coaching is a problem:

1. Defensive recruiting is bad - Didn't recruit a DT in either of the first two recruiting classes and now he is struggling to get in good ones for this class. Depth at DT is a huge concern now, which is why we struggled against Ark and FSU, but it will be worse next year. There is also a lack of star power at DB that we are accustomed to getting.

2. Questionable game management - There are lots of examples for this: Sticking with the RB by committee for 5 games too long when it was obvious Scarlett was the best back, not pulling LDR out of the Ark game when it was obvious he was struggling to complete easy throws, going for it on 4th down when an easy field goal is at hand, allowing play-calling to be extremely predictable on offense, etc. The theme for Mac this year is that it takes him too long to make obvious and necessary adjustments.

3. Inability to motivate players - this was evident when they allowed UT to score 38 unanswered points after a 21 pt lead, and it didn't even seem like they wanted to try to score and win after that. Also not being able to run the ball on one of the worst rushing defenses in the West. This also leads to...

4. Inability to beat or blow out poor teams - This group was talented enough and experienced enough to blow out UMASS and North Texas and there is no reason why they shouldn't have beaten UT and Ark.

5. Poor assist coaching hires - Nord is terrible, Nuss is clearly not getting the job done, and I have mixed feelings on Summers. Mac already had to replace the DB coach, and some of the assistants that are good coaches aren't getting it done in recruiting (Shannon). Randy Shannon is a good position coach, but he's spent so much of his career recruiting against UF, it really shouldn't be a surprise that he's struggling to recruit for UF. Again, Mac has taken too long to make obvious and necessary adjustments and now it looks like higher ups will force him to do so because of it.

6. I see no improvement from last year. Actually this season overall is worse than last year's, and like others have said before, Muschamp's last year was better offensively. Bottom line is that Muschamp could've won the east this year at UF had he not been fired. In other words, winning the East is not a great accomplishment by any means this year, and the only reason why they won was because LSU choked against us and UT choked against crappier teams.

 

[NavetG8r]

Who gives us a better (slim) chance of winning against Bama? Appleby or a healthy Luke Del Rio?

It would be a push if AA didn't have the obviously stronger arm. That alone gives him the ability to stretch the defense a little bit "if" he has any time at all to throw. LDR is a tad more accurate on the short throws, so if we aren't getting time, and are forced to dink and dunk, he's the better option imo.

 

[G 2]

I think you are trying to say that Mac should be able to come into a dumpster fire and out recruit Saban and Meyer in his first two seasons.

Yeah, that's realistic. How many other coaches are out recruiting Saban and Meyer right now? If you limit our choices to coaches that can immediately out recruit Saban and Meyer then the pickings are indeed slim.

No one is talking about best Meyer or Saban. Heck no one is even asking for a top 5 class. Just top 10. Which is something every coach has been able to do at Florida in the last 40 years.

You may or may not be right about execution versus play calling. But you are completely delusional on recruiting. You can't blame on poor performance by Muschamp. Every school has faced those circumstances and still out recruit Mcelwain. FSU was doing terrible under bowden the last few years. But when Fisher took over he brought on top 5 classes. And Fisher was part of those crappy teams!

Actually look at the teams ranked ahead of us. We aren't talking about beating Ohio St or Alabama. But Georgia who sucks with a brand new coach? Auburn who sucks? Come on.

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

Sas, you are normally a staunch pumper, but I've noticed a lot of cracks in your armor there. Where do you stand on Mac?

I'd feel a lot better about him if we were bringing in better recruits. I still think our offensive deficiencies are partly a numbers hangover from Muschamp. Notice I said partly. I also think we need an OC with a better vision and more creativity for our offense than what Nuss has done. Kinda sucks that Mac and Nuss are buds, but I think someone needs to step in and can Nuss if Mac won't. Other than the kickers, special teams has mostly been an unmitigated disaster, so Nord needs to be on the first plane/train/bus/donkey out of Gainesville as soon as the season is over. I think with a better OC and STC, we would be in a lot better shape even without the top recruits. However, Mac really doesn't seem to connect with in-state recruits at all, and I don't see how that can be fixed.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

I'd feel a lot better about him if we were bringing in better recruits. I still think our offensive deficiencies are partly a numbers hangover from Muschamp. Notice I said partly. I also think we need an OC with a better vision and more creativity for our offense than what Nuss has done. Kinda sucks that Mac and Nuss are buds, but I think someone needs to step in and can Nuss if Mac won't. Other than the kickers, special teams has mostly been an unmitigated disaster, so Nord needs to be on the first plane/train/bus/donkey out of Gainesville as soon as the season is over. I think with a better OC and STC, we would be in a lot better shape even without the top recruits. However, Mac really doesn't seem to connect with in-state recruits at all, and I don't see how that can be fixed.

I couldn't have summarized it better myself. It's just not a fit for him here. He'd probably do better in some other part of the country.

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

I still think Mac is a good football coach. What he did at Colorado St. after the stretch of horrendous seasons they had was very impressive. But some coaches just don't mesh with some programs. Charlie wasn't the right fit for Texas, RichRod wasn't the right fit for Michigan, Kiffin wasn't the right fit for anyone, etc.

 

[Gator2222]

Your lame sunshine-pumping crap got old a long time ago. Do you even read these posts? Who said we ever have a chance against Bama, you? Pumper? You went to a lot of trouble to post a bunch of vids trying to make us all believe the coaches are fantastic and our players are the ones screwing up the magnificent plan. There is no magnificent plan. Every word I have written is dead-nuts true. You don't like it because it flys in the face of the drivel you are trying to sell, which only a fool would buy.

You sound really bitter. If being exposed to an opinion different than your own angers you this much then perhaps the internet is not the right place for you.

We simply disagree. In my opinion that doesn't make you a bad person, you just see things differently than I do.

Really just that simple.

 

[Gator2222]

After reading all the pros and cons, I have determined it is the Coaches responsibility, not fault, to field a competent team.
Winning the East is like finding fools gold.

And yet it's so much better than not winning the East. I can only imagine the angst if Mac were not 18-4 with 2 East titles.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

And yet it's so much better than not winning the East. I can only imagine the angst if Mac were not 18-4 with 2 East titles.

angst away... hes not 18-4. but keep pumping bruh.

Edit - I pulled up the records just to be sure. Right now he's 18-7 and in 3 days will be 18-8.

I find it quite telling that you neglect to add any of his nonconference losses during or after the regular season, but add all of his nonconference wins. Admit it, your an AA parrot pushing a narrative, facts be damned.

 

[T REX]

And yet it's so much better than not winning the East. I can only imagine the angst if Mac were not 18-4 with 2 East titles.

18-7

 

[Gator2222]

Yeah, I know.

This UAA sock puppet is special though.

Here in Gainesville we frequently have the opportunity to go see a variety of speakers at UF. If the speaker is a liberal everything is just fine. However, if the speaker is a conservative then all the liberal students go nuts. They start protesting, they demand the university prevent the speaker from talking and they attend the event and try to disrupt it.

Law98gator reminds me of the liberals in this town. Completely intolerant of any opinion that is different of their own and trying to censor anyone they disagree with.

If my ideas are so threatening to you that you get angry then perhaps it's time to look in the mirror.

 

[rogdochar]

C'mon guys ... It's CFB obvious. Mac broadcasts, for all these kids to see, that he wears clothes
from Kohls. These NFL-bound kids wouldn't be caught dead in those threads.??

 

[gatormandan]

 

[Durty South Swamp]

18-7

He ignored all the noncon losses but added all the noncon wins to get that record. I guess we might as well grant ourselves a few imaginary football championships too while we're at it.